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Re: What other languages use the same data model as Python?

From Hans Georg Schaathun <hg@schaathun.net>
Newsgroups comp.lang.python
Subject Re: What other languages use the same data model as Python?
Date 2011-05-05 05:58 +0100
Organization University of Bergen
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On Thu, 05 May 2011 15:48:51 +1200, Gregory Ewing
  <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> wrote:
:  No, it's not. With call-by-name, the caller passes a
:  small function (known as a "thunk") that calculates the
:  address of the parameter. Every time the callee needs to
:  refer to the parameter, it evaluates this function.

Well, call-by-name is not the same as transmission by name either.
Transmission by name is what most posters here call call by
reference, and transmission by reference is what this thread calls
object sharing or call by object.

No wonder I started off confused :-)  It is better now.



-- 
:-- Hans Georg

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