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Re: "Hello world!" without a public class?

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On Sun, 06 Jan 2013 16:09:58 -0500, Arne Vajhøj wrote:

> I agree that text editor and command line tools are important to (see
> post I made after the one you replied to).
>
Yep, saw it a post or few later.
 
> But when they have learned the basics, then they know what is under the
> carpet and should start utilizing the benefits of the IDE.
>
No argument with this, though I'd add that it should be easier to move 
between IDEs if you know the underlying stuff than if you don't - and its 
unlikely that anybody will use just the one IDE.
 
> And people know sophisticated GUI's from other applications.
>
True. However, if Java is their first programming language (and this is 
the target audience for this thread) its unlikely that they'll have used 
an IDE with a similar complexity or density of displayed information.
  
I'd rate programming IDEs and CAD systems as having the most complex GUIs 
I've used by a fair margin, with graphical apps (e.g. the GIMP, Paintshop 
Pro or Lview) coming next. Everything else, ranging from the Audacity 
mixing desk through SQL tools such as Embarcadero Rapid SQL are much 
simpler: little more complex than a decent graphical text editor or Libre 
Office/Office.


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Re: "Hello world!" without a public class? "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2013-01-06 13:09 +0000
  Re: "Hello world!" without a public class? "Aryeh M. Friedman" <Aryeh.Friedman@gmail.com> - 2013-01-06 05:19 -0800
    Re: "Hello world!" without a public class? "Aryeh M. Friedman" <Aryeh.Friedman@gmail.com> - 2013-01-06 05:28 -0800
      Re: "Hello world!" without a public class? lipska the kat <lipskathekat@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-01-06 13:36 +0000
      Re: "Hello world!" without a public class? "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2013-01-06 13:44 +0000
        Re: "Hello world!" without a public class? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-06 10:49 -0500
          Re: "Hello world!" without a public class? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-06 11:45 -0500
          Re: "Hello world!" without a public class? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2013-01-06 19:44 +0000
            Re: "Hello world!" without a public class? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-06 16:09 -0500
              Re: "Hello world!" without a public class? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2013-01-06 21:46 +0000
  Re: "Hello world!" without a public class? "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2013-01-06 14:02 +0000
  Re: "Hello world!" without a public class? "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2013-01-06 14:12 +0000
  Re: "Hello world!" without a public class? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-06 10:42 -0500

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