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Re: tools for programming applets

From	Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.java.programmer
Subject	Re: tools for programming applets
Date	2011-05-22 20:59 -0400
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On 05/22/2011 08:26 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> Why do you think JavaScript/DHTML/AJAX has grown by leaps and bounds, while
> Java, which in some ways was a pioneer of the dynamic Web, has stagnated?

Why do you insist on bashing Java in a Java newsgroup?

To be fair, none of the technologies you mention has really made "leaps 
and bounds". AJAX, or rather XHR (the underlying technology), itself was 
specified several years back and hasn't been modified (to my knowledge) 
since the introduction of the cross-origin specifications, which is more 
or less incidental to the actual spec. JavaScript itself has had no more 
fundamental changes than Java has had. As far as I can see, the only 
truly new things (i.e., not present in any implementation for some time) 
were the introduction of functional methods to Array, i.e., arr.forEach, 
arr.filter, etc.

The only technologies that have really changed are the DOM, in 
particular the introduction of <canvas>, web storage, and ... I think 
that's about the only major interoperable new thing. SVG doesn't count 
since it's been around for eons, nor does <video> since it's actually 
worthless as no single format will be accepted by >75% of the browser 
market. I'll also leave out CSS changes, since most of those are pretty 
much either pie-in-the-sky experiments or attempting to sanely specify 
what browsers already do.

Now, let me end by pointing out that Java has been able to do all of 
these things for over a decade. That's right, all of these growing "by 
leaps and bounds" is merely trying to get CSS/DOM/HTML up to the same 
level of support that Java has already had since version 1.0. And there 
are still things that Java can do that this approach is having problems 
with--case in point number 1, designing traditional UI (i.e., flexing 
models for layout). Java doesn't need to grow by leaps and bounds 
because it already is a mature, working facility ... unlike the current 
Web 2.0/3.0 stuff.

-- 
Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not 
tried it. -- Donald E. Knuth

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tools for programming applets horos22 <ed.peschko@gmail.com> - 2011-05-20 14:43 -0700
  Re: tools for programming applets Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-21 09:57 +1200
    Re: tools for programming applets Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-20 18:27 -0400
    Re: tools for programming applets "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> - 2011-05-21 08:56 +0800
    Re: tools for programming applets Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2011-05-20 21:28 -0400
      Re: tools for programming applets Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-22 11:11 +1200
    Re: tools for programming applets markspace <-@.> - 2011-05-20 18:31 -0700
    Re: tools for programming applets "Nasser M. Abbasi" <nma@12000.org> - 2011-05-21 12:15 -0700
      Re: tools for programming applets Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-22 11:15 +1200
      Re: tools for programming applets Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2011-05-22 14:35 +0100
        Re: tools for programming applets Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> - 2011-05-22 08:12 -0700
          Re: tools for programming applets Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-23 12:26 +1200
            Re: tools for programming applets Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2011-05-22 20:59 -0400
              Re: tools for programming applets Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-22 22:01 -0400
              Re: tools for programming applets Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-23 14:17 +1200
                Re: tools for programming applets Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2011-05-22 23:34 -0400
                Re: tools for programming applets Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-23 18:44 +1200
                Re: tools for programming applets Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-23 09:13 -0400
                Re: tools for programming applets Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2011-05-23 10:37 -0400
                Re: tools for programming applets Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-24 20:15 +1200
                Re: tools for programming applets Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2011-05-24 07:04 -0300
                Re: tools for programming applets Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-27 14:14 +1200
                Re: tools for programming applets Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-24 08:10 -0400
                Re: tools for programming applets Stanimir Stamenkov <s7an10@netscape.net> - 2011-05-24 16:09 +0300
                Re: tools for programming applets Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-26 11:35 +1200
                Re: tools for programming applets Stanimir Stamenkov <s7an10@netscape.net> - 2011-05-27 00:13 +0300
                Re: tools for programming applets Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-27 18:50 +1200
                Re: tools for programming applets Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-27 09:55 -0400
                Re: tools for programming applets Michael Wojcik <mwojcik@newsguy.com> - 2011-05-27 11:31 -0400
                Re: tools for programming applets Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-28 14:35 +1200
                Re: tools for programming applets Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> - 2011-05-28 12:17 -0700
                Re: tools for programming applets Alessio Stalla <alessiostalla@gmail.com> - 2011-05-30 03:26 -0700
  Re: tools for programming applets Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-20 18:29 -0400
  Re: tools for programming applets markspace <-@.> - 2011-05-20 16:11 -0700
    Re: tools for programming applets Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-20 20:12 -0400
      Re: tools for programming applets horos22 <ed.peschko@gmail.com> - 2011-05-21 09:10 -0700
        Re: tools for programming applets Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2011-05-21 12:55 -0400
          Re: tools for programming applets horos22 <ed.peschko@gmail.com> - 2011-05-22 05:18 -0700
            Re: tools for programming applets Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-22 08:37 -0400
            Re: tools for programming applets markspace <-@.> - 2011-05-22 05:58 -0700
              Re: tools for programming applets Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-23 12:34 +1200
                Re: tools for programming applets markspace <-@.> - 2011-05-22 18:11 -0700
                Re: tools for programming applets Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-22 22:06 -0400
                Re: tools for programming applets markspace <-@.> - 2011-05-22 20:26 -0700
                Re: tools for programming applets "John B. Matthews" <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2011-05-22 21:31 -0400
                Re: tools for programming applets Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-23 14:14 +1200
              Re: tools for programming applets horos22 <ed.peschko@gmail.com> - 2011-05-23 08:31 -0700
                Re: tools for programming applets Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-23 12:08 -0400
                Re: tools for programming applets Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-27 14:13 +1200
            Re: tools for programming applets Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2011-05-22 17:39 -0400
        Re: tools for programming applets Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-22 15:38 +1200
          Re: tools for programming applets horos22 <ed.peschko@gmail.com> - 2011-05-22 05:24 -0700
            Re: tools for programming applets Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-22 08:41 -0400
            Re: tools for programming applets markspace <-@.> - 2011-05-22 05:43 -0700
              Re: tools for programming applets Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-22 08:53 -0400
                Re: tools for programming applets markspace <-@.> - 2011-05-22 06:15 -0700
                Re: tools for programming applets horos22 <ed.peschko@gmail.com> - 2011-05-23 08:38 -0700
                Re: tools for programming applets Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-23 12:17 -0400
                Re: tools for programming applets Alessio Stalla <alessiostalla@gmail.com> - 2011-05-24 05:22 -0700
                Re: tools for programming applets Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-24 08:38 -0400
                Re: tools for programming applets Alessio Stalla <alessiostalla@gmail.com> - 2011-05-24 06:33 -0700
                Re: tools for programming applets Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-25 12:06 +1200
                Re: tools for programming applets Alessio Stalla <alessiostalla@gmail.com> - 2011-05-26 05:54 -0700
                Re: tools for programming applets Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-27 00:57 +1200
                Re: tools for programming applets Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-26 09:04 -0400
                Re: tools for programming applets Alessio Stalla <alessiostalla@gmail.com> - 2011-05-26 06:12 -0700
                Re: tools for programming applets Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-26 09:28 -0400
                Re: tools for programming applets Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> - 2011-05-26 14:47 -0700
                Re: tools for programming applets Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2011-05-26 13:51 +0000
                Re: tools for programming applets Alessio Stalla <alessiostalla@gmail.com> - 2011-05-26 07:38 -0700
                Re: tools for programming applets Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2011-05-26 15:23 +0000
                Re: tools for programming applets Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-27 14:10 +1200
                Re: tools for programming applets Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-27 14:11 +1200
                Re: tools for programming applets Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2011-05-27 14:47 +0000
                Re: tools for programming applets Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> - 2011-05-24 10:07 -0700
                Re: tools for programming applets markspace <-@.> - 2011-05-23 11:27 -0700
            Re: tools for programming applets Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-23 12:23 +1200
              Re: tools for programming applets horos22 <ed.peschko@gmail.com> - 2011-05-23 08:50 -0700
                Re: tools for programming applets Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-24 14:45 +1200
                Re: tools for programming applets Andrew Thompson <andrewthommo@gmail.com> - 2011-05-25 03:46 -0700
                Re: tools for programming applets Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-27 14:12 +1200
  Re: tools for programming applets Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2011-05-21 09:31 -0700
  Re: tools for programming applets "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> - 2011-05-22 08:05 +0800
    Re: tools for programming applets horos22 <ed.peschko@gmail.com> - 2011-05-22 05:30 -0700
      Re: tools for programming applets markspace <-@.> - 2011-05-22 06:05 -0700
  Re: tools for programming applets Silvio <silvio@moc.com> - 2011-05-24 12:30 +0200
    Re: tools for programming applets Michael Wojcik <mwojcik@newsguy.com> - 2011-05-26 14:29 -0400
  Re: tools for programming applets Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-05-26 16:37 +0000

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