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On 5/22/2011 8:18 AM, horos22 wrote:
> Josuha,

While I am used to the spelling and/or pronunciation of my last name 
being butchered, this is the first time in quite a while that I've seen 
my first name incorrectly spelled ;-)

> I understand that this is a security risk - if used in production
> systems. But as a development tool, it's invaluable.

 From a security risk, how would you lock it down in the production 
system yet keep it available in development? By the time you start 
trying to come up with mechanisms to allow that, you're not saving 
yourself any effort compared to just making a new server or hosting 
another install in a similar environment.

> Consider protocol development. When I develop a ssh client, or mysql
> client, or iscsi client, I don't need to make a new server instance or
> somehow have to duplicate the server environment.

Applets aren't exactly like an SSH client. While I'm not exactly sure 
what your use-case it is, it seems to me that the applet is acting more 
like a smart client that does middleware business management-y stuff; a 
close analogue to this would be an intranet application.

> Suppose you had 10 developers working on an applet. What are they
> supposed to do? Duplicate the parent environment 10 separate times?

When I worked on an intranet project, that is precisely what we did. 
Everything from the copy of code we ran to the LDAP and MySQL databases 
we authenticated against were created as separate copies for every 
developer.

> What if the central environment changes? Do you then need to propogate
> those changes to all 10 daughter environments? what if two people want
> to merge changes or then test their changes our versus production
> data? Do they need then to impact production by having their applet
> hosted in the production world?

Yes to your first question; no to your second. It is possible to 
directly copy the production values to the non-production stuff.

> This makes no sense. I can't believe there isn't something out there
> to do this. Unix has a permissions system and its invaluable - you
> open up the permissions on things to do development, get stuff done,
> and then close down the permissions when you ship. There's gotta be a
> way to overcome the extreme development penalty inherent in cloning
> environments here; elsewise I feel damn sorry for the java applet
> developer..

 From my perspective, when hosting a webservice (including applets), one 
key thing you need to be sure of is that you do not treat the 
development testbed as the production environment. What happens if you 
accidentally introduce a security leak for debugging purposes? The 
entire world would see it in the production, while the development 
version remains (theoretically) locked down within a corporate firewall.

-- 
Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not 
tried it. -- Donald E. Knuth

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tools for programming applets horos22 <ed.peschko@gmail.com> - 2011-05-20 14:43 -0700
  Re: tools for programming applets Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-21 09:57 +1200
    Re: tools for programming applets Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-20 18:27 -0400
    Re: tools for programming applets "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> - 2011-05-21 08:56 +0800
    Re: tools for programming applets Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2011-05-20 21:28 -0400
      Re: tools for programming applets Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-22 11:11 +1200
    Re: tools for programming applets markspace <-@.> - 2011-05-20 18:31 -0700
    Re: tools for programming applets "Nasser M. Abbasi" <nma@12000.org> - 2011-05-21 12:15 -0700
      Re: tools for programming applets Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-22 11:15 +1200
      Re: tools for programming applets Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2011-05-22 14:35 +0100
        Re: tools for programming applets Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> - 2011-05-22 08:12 -0700
          Re: tools for programming applets Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-23 12:26 +1200
            Re: tools for programming applets Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2011-05-22 20:59 -0400
              Re: tools for programming applets Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-22 22:01 -0400
              Re: tools for programming applets Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-23 14:17 +1200
                Re: tools for programming applets Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2011-05-22 23:34 -0400
                Re: tools for programming applets Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-23 18:44 +1200
                Re: tools for programming applets Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-23 09:13 -0400
                Re: tools for programming applets Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2011-05-23 10:37 -0400
                Re: tools for programming applets Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-24 20:15 +1200
                Re: tools for programming applets Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2011-05-24 07:04 -0300
                Re: tools for programming applets Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-27 14:14 +1200
                Re: tools for programming applets Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-24 08:10 -0400
                Re: tools for programming applets Stanimir Stamenkov <s7an10@netscape.net> - 2011-05-24 16:09 +0300
                Re: tools for programming applets Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-26 11:35 +1200
                Re: tools for programming applets Stanimir Stamenkov <s7an10@netscape.net> - 2011-05-27 00:13 +0300
                Re: tools for programming applets Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-27 18:50 +1200
                Re: tools for programming applets Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-27 09:55 -0400
                Re: tools for programming applets Michael Wojcik <mwojcik@newsguy.com> - 2011-05-27 11:31 -0400
                Re: tools for programming applets Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-28 14:35 +1200
                Re: tools for programming applets Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> - 2011-05-28 12:17 -0700
                Re: tools for programming applets Alessio Stalla <alessiostalla@gmail.com> - 2011-05-30 03:26 -0700
  Re: tools for programming applets Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-20 18:29 -0400
  Re: tools for programming applets markspace <-@.> - 2011-05-20 16:11 -0700
    Re: tools for programming applets Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-20 20:12 -0400
      Re: tools for programming applets horos22 <ed.peschko@gmail.com> - 2011-05-21 09:10 -0700
        Re: tools for programming applets Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2011-05-21 12:55 -0400
          Re: tools for programming applets horos22 <ed.peschko@gmail.com> - 2011-05-22 05:18 -0700
            Re: tools for programming applets Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-22 08:37 -0400
            Re: tools for programming applets markspace <-@.> - 2011-05-22 05:58 -0700
              Re: tools for programming applets Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-23 12:34 +1200
                Re: tools for programming applets markspace <-@.> - 2011-05-22 18:11 -0700
                Re: tools for programming applets Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-22 22:06 -0400
                Re: tools for programming applets markspace <-@.> - 2011-05-22 20:26 -0700
                Re: tools for programming applets "John B. Matthews" <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2011-05-22 21:31 -0400
                Re: tools for programming applets Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-23 14:14 +1200
              Re: tools for programming applets horos22 <ed.peschko@gmail.com> - 2011-05-23 08:31 -0700
                Re: tools for programming applets Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-23 12:08 -0400
                Re: tools for programming applets Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-27 14:13 +1200
            Re: tools for programming applets Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2011-05-22 17:39 -0400
        Re: tools for programming applets Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-22 15:38 +1200
          Re: tools for programming applets horos22 <ed.peschko@gmail.com> - 2011-05-22 05:24 -0700
            Re: tools for programming applets Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-22 08:41 -0400
            Re: tools for programming applets markspace <-@.> - 2011-05-22 05:43 -0700
              Re: tools for programming applets Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-22 08:53 -0400
                Re: tools for programming applets markspace <-@.> - 2011-05-22 06:15 -0700
                Re: tools for programming applets horos22 <ed.peschko@gmail.com> - 2011-05-23 08:38 -0700
                Re: tools for programming applets Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-23 12:17 -0400
                Re: tools for programming applets Alessio Stalla <alessiostalla@gmail.com> - 2011-05-24 05:22 -0700
                Re: tools for programming applets Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-24 08:38 -0400
                Re: tools for programming applets Alessio Stalla <alessiostalla@gmail.com> - 2011-05-24 06:33 -0700
                Re: tools for programming applets Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-25 12:06 +1200
                Re: tools for programming applets Alessio Stalla <alessiostalla@gmail.com> - 2011-05-26 05:54 -0700
                Re: tools for programming applets Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-27 00:57 +1200
                Re: tools for programming applets Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-26 09:04 -0400
                Re: tools for programming applets Alessio Stalla <alessiostalla@gmail.com> - 2011-05-26 06:12 -0700
                Re: tools for programming applets Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-26 09:28 -0400
                Re: tools for programming applets Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> - 2011-05-26 14:47 -0700
                Re: tools for programming applets Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2011-05-26 13:51 +0000
                Re: tools for programming applets Alessio Stalla <alessiostalla@gmail.com> - 2011-05-26 07:38 -0700
                Re: tools for programming applets Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2011-05-26 15:23 +0000
                Re: tools for programming applets Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-27 14:10 +1200
                Re: tools for programming applets Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-27 14:11 +1200
                Re: tools for programming applets Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2011-05-27 14:47 +0000
                Re: tools for programming applets Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> - 2011-05-24 10:07 -0700
                Re: tools for programming applets markspace <-@.> - 2011-05-23 11:27 -0700
            Re: tools for programming applets Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-23 12:23 +1200
              Re: tools for programming applets horos22 <ed.peschko@gmail.com> - 2011-05-23 08:50 -0700
                Re: tools for programming applets Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-24 14:45 +1200
                Re: tools for programming applets Andrew Thompson <andrewthommo@gmail.com> - 2011-05-25 03:46 -0700
                Re: tools for programming applets Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-27 14:12 +1200
  Re: tools for programming applets Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2011-05-21 09:31 -0700
  Re: tools for programming applets "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> - 2011-05-22 08:05 +0800
    Re: tools for programming applets horos22 <ed.peschko@gmail.com> - 2011-05-22 05:30 -0700
      Re: tools for programming applets markspace <-@.> - 2011-05-22 06:05 -0700
  Re: tools for programming applets Silvio <silvio@moc.com> - 2011-05-24 12:30 +0200
    Re: tools for programming applets Michael Wojcik <mwojcik@newsguy.com> - 2011-05-26 14:29 -0400
  Re: tools for programming applets Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-05-26 16:37 +0000

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