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Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac

From Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li>
Newsgroups comp.lang.java.programmer
Subject Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac
Date 2012-01-20 21:50 +0000
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On Thu, 19 Jan 2012, Arne Vajhøj wrote:

> On 1/19/2012 8:09 AM, Tom Anderson wrote:
>> On Mon, 16 Jan 2012, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>> 
>>> On 1/16/2012 8:24 PM, Wayne Dernoncourt wrote:
>>> 
>>>> It looks like Eclipse might fill the bill, I need to do some reading 
>>>> to figure out which version is appropriate - EE, Classic, etc.
>>> 
>>> desktop apps => Eclipse IDE for Java Developers
>>> 
>>> server apps => Eclipse IDE for Java EE Developers
>> 
>> Roughly. AIUI, the SQL support is in the EE edition, but not the 
>> standard edition. If you want to use SQL on the desktop, you might like 
>> to get the EE edition.
>
> Support for writing SQL files may be a EE edition thing.
>
> But that is not in my opinion a common thing to do for desktop app
> development.
>
> Plain JDBC with embedded SQL or an ORM for writing the code
> and then creating the database structure in a database tool.

Mostly true. It's useful to have the database view when developing, for 
running ad-hoc queries to look at data and so on. Also, for editing the 
generated schema to tweak constraints and indices and so on.

>> Although, having said all that, i would suggest not starting with an 
>> IDE, or at least not one of any complexity. An editor with automatic 
>> indentation and syntax highlighting will do; TextWrangler is good, and 
>> actually, XCode is a pretty good Java editor, even if it is lacking as 
>> an IDE.
>
> Or jEdit or UltraEdit or NotPad++ or NEdit or ... - there are
> plenty of decent editors around.

Most of which aren't relevant in a thread about programming on a Mac. I 
mentioned TextWrangler and XCode because they're the best freeware editors 
on the Mac.

> I agree with the point that every new Java developer should learn to 
> develop using a standard editor and command line editor to learn about 
> classpath, jar files etc.etc..

Great minds think alike.

tom

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MADSKILLZ!

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Getting started with Java on a Mac Wayne Dernoncourt <wayned@panix.com> - 2012-01-13 09:41 -0500
  Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-01-13 09:04 -0800
  Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac Jim Gibson <jimsgibson@gmail.com> - 2012-01-13 10:01 -0800
    Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac Wayne Dernoncourt <wayned@panix.com> - 2012-01-13 13:26 -0500
      Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac Jim Gibson <jimsgibson@gmail.com> - 2012-01-13 16:11 -0800
        Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac Wayne Dernoncourt <wayned@panix.com> - 2012-01-16 13:48 -0500
        Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac Wayne Dernoncourt <wayned@panix.com> - 2012-01-16 20:24 -0500
          Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-01-16 21:20 -0500
            Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac Wayne Dernoncourt <wayned@panix.com> - 2012-01-17 05:33 -0500
              Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> - 2012-01-17 11:30 -0800
                Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-01-17 17:34 -0500
              Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-01-17 17:32 -0500
            Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2012-01-19 13:09 +0000
              Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-01-19 08:35 -0800
                Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-01-19 19:08 -0500
              Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-01-19 19:05 -0500
                Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2012-01-20 21:50 +0000
                Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-01-20 21:15 -0500
                Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac rossum <rossum48@coldmail.com> - 2012-01-21 17:44 +0000
                Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-01-21 15:59 -0500
      Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-01-13 16:43 -0800
    Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> - 2012-01-13 16:58 -0800
      Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-01-14 22:46 -0500
    Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2012-01-13 23:12 -0400
      Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac Peter Duniho <NpOeStPeAdM@NnOwSlPiAnMk.com> - 2012-01-13 20:13 -0800
        Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac Gene <gene.ressler@gmail.com> - 2012-01-13 20:47 -0800
          Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac Peter Duniho <NpOeStPeAdM@NnOwSlPiAnMk.com> - 2012-01-13 23:16 -0800
          Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> - 2012-01-13 23:56 -0800
          Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-01-14 11:17 -0800
          Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-01-14 22:52 -0500
        Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2012-01-14 11:00 -0400
          Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac "John B. Matthews" <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-01-14 22:30 -0500
    Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-01-14 22:45 -0500
  Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac "John B. Matthews" <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-01-13 22:29 -0500

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