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Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac

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On 1/13/2012 11:47 PM, Gene wrote:
> On Jan 14, 5:13 am, Peter Duniho<NpOeStPe...@NnOwSlPiAnMk.com>  wrote:
>> On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 23:12:45 -0400, Arved Sandstrom wrote:
>>> [...] It's been my experience for years (and I've used Java on Macs
>>> going back to when Java appeared) that Apple support for Java on Classic
>>> Mac and Mac OS X has been very good.
>>
>>> Granted I am not a Java GUI guy, I may have written half a dozen trivial
>>> AWT or Swing apps ever in over a decade, and most of them not on a Mac
>>> anyway, so there could be some cruftiness when it comes to that side of
>>> things, but overall Mac Java support is very good. IMO.
>>
>> My experience with Java and the Mac is not as extensive as yours, going
>> back only five years.  But I'd say that given that Apple's Java on the Mac
>> was still stuck at 1.5 when 1.7 was on the verge of release, there's
>> justification for considering Java on the Mac to be lagging.  Note also the
>> problem that on other platforms you can update to the latest Java easily,
>> while on the Mac (at least historically) the only way to get the latest
>> Java release was to buy the latest OS version as well.
>>
>> Maybe with the OpenJDK stuff, Java on the Mac will become less-proprietary,
>> more up-to-date, etc.  And I'd certainly agree that Java development on the
>> Mac is viable, even if the API lags behind the rest of the world.  But I'd
>> definitely not call Apple's support of Java on the Mac "very good".  I
>> wouldn't even call it close to that.
>
> It's something like a red herring to say Apple support for Java is
> this or that.  Certainly Microsoft provides less support under
> Windows.  Ditto for Linux.  Apple is unique in embracing Java at all.

No.

IBM support Java on z/OS.
IBM support Java on i.
IBM support Java on AIX.
HP support Java on HP-UX.
HP support Java on OpenVMS.
SUN/Oracle support Java on Solaris.

This is the Java model. The OS vendor support Java
for their platform.

It was even supposed to be the case for Windows, but SUN
and MS ended up in court and MS stopped developing Java/non-Java.


> Moreover, Apple's policy of associating a Java release with each OS X
> release is a more sane lifecycle management strategy than the once-
> every-two-months routine release of the JVM/JDK.  Ask any Windows user
> who runs it what they think of the Java update daemon!

They probably like that Java behaves similar to Windows itself,
AcrobatReader, Flash, FireFox, ThunderBird etc..

Automatic updating is standard today.


> In all, the policy of frequent releases seems for more than 15 years
> to have fostered a Java culture of half-baked architectures and
> okayness with bugs a la amateur night.  Ultimately, this is why Java
> has never reached the tipping point as a web dynamic content
> mechanism.  What a shame...  Java could have been Flash.  And the
> world would have been a better place.
>
> Upshot: If Oracle ultimately makes an annual, high quality Java
> release for all platforms, life is going to be better for everyone
> than the current ad hoc mish mosh.
>
> Just an opinion...

Given that it is typical security fixes that drive the release
of Java updates, then updating once a year would be a complete
disaster.

Arne

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Getting started with Java on a Mac Wayne Dernoncourt <wayned@panix.com> - 2012-01-13 09:41 -0500
  Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-01-13 09:04 -0800
  Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac Jim Gibson <jimsgibson@gmail.com> - 2012-01-13 10:01 -0800
    Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac Wayne Dernoncourt <wayned@panix.com> - 2012-01-13 13:26 -0500
      Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac Jim Gibson <jimsgibson@gmail.com> - 2012-01-13 16:11 -0800
        Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac Wayne Dernoncourt <wayned@panix.com> - 2012-01-16 13:48 -0500
        Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac Wayne Dernoncourt <wayned@panix.com> - 2012-01-16 20:24 -0500
          Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-01-16 21:20 -0500
            Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac Wayne Dernoncourt <wayned@panix.com> - 2012-01-17 05:33 -0500
              Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> - 2012-01-17 11:30 -0800
                Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-01-17 17:34 -0500
              Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-01-17 17:32 -0500
            Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2012-01-19 13:09 +0000
              Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-01-19 08:35 -0800
                Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-01-19 19:08 -0500
              Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-01-19 19:05 -0500
                Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2012-01-20 21:50 +0000
                Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-01-20 21:15 -0500
                Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac rossum <rossum48@coldmail.com> - 2012-01-21 17:44 +0000
                Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-01-21 15:59 -0500
      Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-01-13 16:43 -0800
    Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> - 2012-01-13 16:58 -0800
      Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-01-14 22:46 -0500
    Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2012-01-13 23:12 -0400
      Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac Peter Duniho <NpOeStPeAdM@NnOwSlPiAnMk.com> - 2012-01-13 20:13 -0800
        Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac Gene <gene.ressler@gmail.com> - 2012-01-13 20:47 -0800
          Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac Peter Duniho <NpOeStPeAdM@NnOwSlPiAnMk.com> - 2012-01-13 23:16 -0800
          Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> - 2012-01-13 23:56 -0800
          Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-01-14 11:17 -0800
          Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-01-14 22:52 -0500
        Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2012-01-14 11:00 -0400
          Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac "John B. Matthews" <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-01-14 22:30 -0500
    Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-01-14 22:45 -0500
  Re: Getting started with Java on a Mac "John B. Matthews" <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-01-13 22:29 -0500

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