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Re: Whay IDE am I supposed to use/is the best?

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Nigel Wade <nmw@ion.le.ac.uk> writes:
> On 04/07/12 03:55, Patricia Shanahan wrote:
>> On 7/3/2012 5:48 PM, Patrick May wrote:
>> ...
>>> I do think there is value in simplicity (and yes, I do see the
>>> humor in calling Emacs simple). I also think there is value in
>>> understanding what your tools are doing, and many IDEs make that
>>> difficult or impossible. It is possible to deliver large enterprise
>>> projects using a programmer's editor like Emacs and a shell window or
>>> three, with occasional reference to documents in a web browser.
>>
>> Why is understanding what your tools are doing such a good thing? And is
>> it feasible, even if desirable?
>
> Because if you don't, how are you going to clean up the mess that the
> tools generate when they go wrong?

     Exactly this.  There is a difference between encapsulating
complexity and merely concealing it.  Too many IDEs, in my experience,
do the latter.  This causes problems both when the tools are upgraded
and when different tools are used on the same project.

     I've seen a lot of time wasted by developers getting their IDEs
configured when those of us using Emacs or vi were solving the actual
business problem.  I've also seen too many junior developers who don't
understand what their IDE is actually doing under the covers, which
means they aren't a Java programmer, they're an Eclipse programmer.

     I'd rather work with people who understand how to use the command
line, even if they choose to use an IDE.

Patrick

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Whay IDE am I supposed to use/is the best? ericmiranda7@gmail.com - 2012-06-30 23:32 -0700
  Re: Whay IDE am I supposed to use/is the best? Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-07-01 03:53 -0700
  Re: Whay IDE am I supposed to use/is the best? Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-07-01 07:37 -0700
  Re: Whay IDE am I supposed to use/is the best? Patrick May <patrick@softwarematters.org> - 2012-07-01 14:20 -0400
    Re: Whay IDE am I supposed to use/is the best? Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-07-01 14:44 -0700
      Re: Whay IDE am I supposed to use/is the best? Patrick May <patrick@softwarematters.org> - 2012-07-03 20:48 -0400
        Re: Whay IDE am I supposed to use/is the best? Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-07-03 19:55 -0700
          Re: Whay IDE am I supposed to use/is the best? Nigel Wade <nmw@ion.le.ac.uk> - 2012-07-04 09:26 +0100
            Re: Whay IDE am I supposed to use/is the best? Patrick May <patrick@softwarematters.org> - 2012-07-05 13:36 -0400
              Re: Whay IDE am I supposed to use/is the best? Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-07-05 13:25 -0700
              Re: Whay IDE am I supposed to use/is the best? Joseph Parkton <jparkton@gmail.com> - 2012-07-19 21:54 -0700
          Re: Whay IDE am I supposed to use/is the best? Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-07-04 10:04 -0700
            Re: Whay IDE am I supposed to use/is the best? Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-07-04 10:14 -0700
              Re: Whay IDE am I supposed to use/is the best? Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-07-04 10:47 -0700
                Re: Whay IDE am I supposed to use/is the best? Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-07-04 12:32 -0700
                Re: Whay IDE am I supposed to use/is the best? Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-07-04 13:01 -0700
                Re: Whay IDE am I supposed to use/is the best? Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-07-04 16:03 -0700
                Re: Whay IDE am I supposed to use/is the best? Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-07-04 17:38 -0700
                Re: Whay IDE am I supposed to use/is the best? Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-07-06 08:29 -0700
  Re: Whay IDE am I supposed to use/is the best? Timothy Madden <terminatorul@gmail.com> - 2012-08-21 16:21 +0300
    Re: Whay IDE am I supposed to use/is the best? Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-08-21 11:47 -0700

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