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| Date | 2013-03-22 17:39 -1000 |
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| From | "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> |
| Organization | FORTH, Inc. |
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.forth |
| Subject | Re: Can i rely on >BODY for anything at all? |
| References | <FqWdnXsu68Ik09bMnZ2dnUVZ_s2dnZ2d@supernews.com> <e6bb27ec-b69b-44e0-86f6-806eaaa1bf4a@googlegroups.com> <8b058263-bc0f-4d8b-9fe9-83b0ce293e02@googlegroups.com> <dLmdnRN9qoryANHMnZ2dnUVZ_uWdnZ2d@supernews.com> <514d12cb$0$6069$e4fe514c@dreader36.news.xs4all.nl> |
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On 3/22/13 4:26 PM, Albert van der Horst wrote: > In article <dLmdnRN9qoryANHMnZ2dnUVZ_uWdnZ2d@supernews.com>, > Elizabeth D. Rather <erather@forth.com> wrote: >> On 3/22/13 6:03 AM, m.a.m.hendrix@tue.nl wrote: >>> On Friday, March 22, 2013 4:41:08 PM UTC+1, Brad Eckert wrote: >>>> On Thursday, March 21, 2013 11:20:01 AM UTC-7, Marcel Hendrix wrote: >>> "Elizabeth D. Rather" writes Re: Can i rely on >BODY for anything at >> all? >>> [..] >>> But that is all system source. >>> (Most of) my examples are classic programs. >> >> Yes. >BODY is useful in the context of a system, but then you know >> exactly how everything works, when it's appropriate, and what you expect >> to find in the referenced space. >> >> The requirement for portability has to do with user application code. I >> have found very little need for it in application code. Maybe the >> difference is that Marcel is using it on his system where he knows how >> everything works and isn't trying to write portable code, or because >> he's using it with words defined by CREATE. >> >> Remember, standards are all about portability. A rule such as requiring >>> BODY to be used with CREATEd words is defining what a user can expect >> to be portable. You can do whatever works on your system of choice if >> you aren't attempting to write portable application code. > > It makes sense that >BODY is used sparingly. The CREATE DOES> construction > is a kind of data hiding, OO type if you wish. Reaching through towards > the data goes against the spirit. > > The exceptions are additions made by the implementor to the data type, > and of course test code. Well, of course an object defined with CREATE DOES> *is* available for >BODY access. Cheers, Elizabeth -- ================================================== Elizabeth D. Rather (US & Canada) 800-55-FORTH FORTH Inc. +1 310.999.6784 5959 West Century Blvd. Suite 700 Los Angeles, CA 90045 http://www.forth.com "Forth-based products and Services for real-time applications since 1973." ==================================================
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Re: Can i rely on >BODY for anything at all? "Ed" <invalid@nospam.com> - 2013-03-26 13:13 +1100
Re: Can i rely on >BODY for anything at all? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-03-24 01:21 +0100
Re: Can i rely on >BODY for anything at all? Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-03-20 00:01 -0700
Re: Can i rely on >BODY for anything at all? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-03-19 22:02 -1000
Re: Can i rely on >BODY for anything at all? "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotq.cpm> - 2013-03-20 05:27 -0400
Re: Can i rely on >BODY for anything at all? Zbiggy <zbigniew2011REMOVE@gmail.REMOVE.com> - 2013-03-20 10:27 +0000
Re: Can i rely on >BODY for anything at all? Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-03-20 03:23 -0700
Re: Can i rely on >BODY for anything at all? albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-03-20 17:22 +0000
Re: Can i rely on >BODY for anything at all? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-03-20 07:52 -1000
Re: Can i rely on >BODY for anything at all? Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2013-03-20 18:56 +0000
OT: SF-translations Zbiggy <zbigniew2011REMOVE@gmail.REMOVE.com> - 2013-03-20 21:44 +0000
Re: OT: SF-translations Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-03-20 23:12 +0100
Re: OT: SF-translations Zbiggy <zbigniew2011REMOVE@gmail.REMOVE.com> - 2013-03-20 22:45 +0000
Re: OT: SF-translations Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-03-21 15:50 +0100
Re: OT: SF-translations "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-03-20 12:38 -1000
Re: Can i rely on >BODY for anything at all? "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotq.cpm> - 2013-03-21 05:52 -0400
Re: Can i rely on >BODY for anything at all? Zbiggy <zbigniew2011REMOVE@gmail.REMOVE.com> - 2013-03-21 10:08 +0000
Re: Can i rely on >BODY for anything at all? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-03-21 08:17 -1000
Re: Can i rely on >BODY for anything at all? Zbiggy <zbigniew2011REMOVE@gmail.REMOVE.com> - 2013-03-21 18:46 +0000
Re: Can i rely on >BODY for anything at all? mhx@iae.nl (Marcel Hendrix) - 2013-03-21 20:20 +0200
Re: Can i rely on >BODY for anything at all? Brad Eckert <hwfwguy@gmail.com> - 2013-03-22 08:41 -0700
Re: Can i rely on >BODY for anything at all? m.a.m.hendrix@tue.nl - 2013-03-22 09:03 -0700
Re: Can i rely on >BODY for anything at all? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-03-22 08:05 -1000
Re: Can i rely on >BODY for anything at all? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-03-22 22:17 +0100
Re: Can i rely on >BODY for anything at all? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-03-23 12:07 +0000
Re: Can i rely on >BODY for anything at all? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-03-24 01:40 +0100
Re: Can i rely on >BODY for anything at all? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-03-24 03:55 -0500
Re: Can i rely on >BODY for anything at all? stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2013-03-24 12:18 +0000
Re: Can i rely on >BODY for anything at all? Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2013-03-24 06:04 -0700
Re: Can i rely on >BODY for anything at all? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-03-24 15:31 +0100
Re: Can i rely on >BODY for anything at all? albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-03-23 02:26 +0000
Re: Can i rely on >BODY for anything at all? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-03-22 17:39 -1000
Re: Can i rely on >BODY for anything at all? Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2013-03-20 19:18 +0100
Re: Can i rely on >BODY for anything at all? Zbiggy <zbigniew2011REMOVE@gmail.REMOVE.com> - 2013-03-21 16:18 +0000
Re: Can i rely on >BODY for anything at all? Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2013-03-22 00:34 +0100
Re: Can i rely on >BODY for anything at all? Zbiggy <zbigniew2011REMOVE@gmail.REMOVE.com> - 2013-03-21 23:54 +0000
Re: Can i rely on >BODY for anything at all? Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2013-03-22 00:54 +0100
Re: Can i rely on >BODY for anything at all? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-03-21 14:37 -1000
Re: Can i rely on >BODY for anything at all? Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2013-03-20 04:48 -0700
Re: Can i rely on >BODY for anything at all? "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotq.cpm> - 2013-03-21 05:43 -0400
Re: Can i rely on >BODY for anything at all? Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2013-03-21 08:30 -0700
Re: Can i rely on >BODY for anything at all? "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotq.cpm> - 2013-03-22 03:31 -0400
Re: Can i rely on >BODY for anything at all? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-03-21 22:07 -1000
Re: Can i rely on >BODY for anything at all? Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2013-03-22 03:37 -0700
Re: Can i rely on >BODY for anything at all? albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-03-20 17:14 +0000
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