Re: xt as a single point of reference

From	Bill Richards <billrich@gmx.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.forth
Subject	Re: xt as a single point of reference
Date	2013-08-04 11:43 +0000
Organization	Aioe.org NNTP Server
Message-ID	<ktleog$8fb$1@speranza.aioe.org> (permalink)
References	(10 earlier) <fbCdneLFeO_-lGHMnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@supernews.com> <7xzjsz6yz3.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com> <HsednTHby4zgN2HMnZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@supernews.com> <7xr4eav2kd.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com> <M9SdnXMtRPVlmGPMnZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@supernews.com>

Show all headers | View raw

On 2013-08-04, Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> wrote:
> Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> writes:
>
>> I'm thinking that sane languages for large-scale development should
>> 1) follow the principle of least surprise, and 2) have extensive
>> error detection and diagnostics at compile and run time.  C's
>> pointer semantics even prevent it from checking for subscript
>> errors, thus the decades of buffer overflow bugs we've seen in it.
>
> Java, in other words!

Not even close! Think Ada. Other good choices would be languages that don't
use null terminated strings. Counted strings prevent most or all buffer
overflows. Let the compiler do the work. PL/M and variants have been used
successfully to write operating systems. PL/I style language implementations
usually support subscript checking at runtime, etc.

>>> C isn't really a general-purpose programming language: its
>>> properties are useful in the area for which it was designed, viz. a
>>> low-overhead language that can be used instead of assembler for
>>> writing the core parts of an operating system.

Not true of all platforms but close enough given all the world's Intel x86
as far as you know. I'd rather choose the best tools for the job (and that's
never C) than a mediocre tool that can do it all, sortof, more or less
(that's C).

>> 
>> This would seem to say it's being misused badly in the real world,
>> since large systems are written in it, like the Linux kernel.

Very true indeed. 

> Ah.  As Churchill put it, "it has been said that democracy is the
> worst form of Government except all those other forms that have been
> tried from time to time."

I don't agree. Several choices have been tried and did indeed work
better. There is a certain dogma that leads to myopia in anything
UNIX-related and you'll be shouted down if you propose something
better. Because Dennis Ritchie didn't use it, it can't be good. 
>
>>> Think about programming languages as tools.  C is a chainsaw.

There's no need to be insulting, said the Chainsaw Manufacturers' United...

C is a minefield. There's no reason it had to be this way except as a
surrogate religion. It was good enough for who it was for. It continues in
use in the face of much better alternatives but for the sheer mass of existing
systems and their old crusty interfaces and people who refuse to demand
better. Probably no language has so much baggage as C, and C is far from the
first language still in use. If portability is your goal, C helps, but so
does Ada because it's so rigidly standardized. For other use it really would
have been smarter to either pick a systems programming language (assembly)
for the systems programming parts and a DSL for the rest.

Bill

Back to comp.lang.forth | Previous | Next — Previous in thread | Next in thread | Find similar

Thread

RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2013-07-25 18:40 -0700
  Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2013-07-25 21:14 -0700
  Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-07-26 10:36 +0000
    Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2013-07-26 15:19 +0200
  Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2013-07-26 13:44 +0000
    Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-07-26 08:55 -0500
    Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-07-26 16:10 +0200
      Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision mhx@iae.nl - 2013-07-26 11:50 -0700
        Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-07-26 21:03 +0200
          Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-07-26 10:38 -1000
            Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2013-07-27 08:44 -0700
          Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2013-07-27 16:26 +0000
            Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-07-27 23:44 +0200
          Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-07-29 17:16 +0000
    Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-07-26 15:24 +0000
      Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-07-26 10:55 -0500
        Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-07-27 02:10 +0000
        Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision peter.m.falth@gmail.com - 2013-07-27 02:32 -0700
      Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-07-26 08:32 -1000
        Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-07-27 18:07 +0000
          Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2013-07-27 11:34 -0700
          Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-07-29 01:42 -0700
        Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2013-07-27 09:02 -0700
          Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2013-07-27 16:46 +0000
            Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2013-07-27 12:07 -0700
              Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-07-27 23:42 +0200
                xt as a single point of reference (was RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST) "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2013-07-28 22:43 +0100
                Re: xt as a single point of reference (was RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-07-29 01:10 +0200
                Re: xt as a single point of reference (was RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST) Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2013-07-29 01:36 -0700
                Re: xt as a single point of reference (was RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-07-29 14:10 +0200
                Re: xt as a single point of reference (was RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST) stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2013-07-30 10:12 +0000
                Re: xt as a single point of reference (was RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-07-31 01:25 +0200
                Re: xt as a single point of reference (was RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST) albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-07-30 12:27 +0000
                Re: xt as a single point of reference (was RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST) m.a.m.hendrix@tue.nl - 2013-07-30 06:31 -0700
                Re: xt as a single point of reference (was RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-07-30 14:03 +0000
                Re: xt as a single point of reference (was RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST) albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-07-30 16:46 +0000
                Re: xt as a single point of reference (was RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-08-01 12:08 +0000
                Re: xt as a single point of reference (was RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST) Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-08-01 08:20 -0500
                Re: xt as a single point of reference (was RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-08-01 22:20 +0200
                Re: xt as a single point of reference (was RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST) Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-08-02 02:59 -0500
                Re: xt as a single point of reference (was RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-08-02 13:32 +0000
                Re: xt as a single point of reference (was RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST) Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-08-02 09:15 -0500
                Re: xt as a single point of reference (was RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-08-02 15:17 +0000
                Re: xt as a single point of reference (was RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST) Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-08-02 11:28 -0500
                Re: xt as a single point of reference (was RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST) Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2013-08-02 10:17 -0700
                Re: xt as a single point of reference (was RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST) Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-08-02 14:14 -0500
                Re: xt as a single point of reference Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-08-02 10:18 -0700
                Re: xt as a single point of reference Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-08-02 14:32 -0500
                Re: xt as a single point of reference Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-08-03 00:00 -0700
                Re: xt as a single point of reference Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-08-03 02:00 -0500
                Re: xt as a single point of reference Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-08-03 15:20 -0700
                Re: xt as a single point of reference Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-08-04 02:42 -0500
                Re: xt as a single point of reference Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-08-04 01:27 -0700
                Re: xt as a single point of reference Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-08-04 03:29 -0500
                Re: xt as a single point of reference Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-08-04 11:09 -0700
                Re: xt as a single point of reference Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-08-04 12:59 -0500
                Re: xt as a single point of reference Bill Richards <billrich@gmx.com> - 2013-08-04 11:43 +0000
                Re: xt as a single point of reference Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-08-04 07:13 -0500
                Re: xt as a single point of reference Bill Richards <billrich@gmx.com> - 2013-08-04 13:25 +0000
                Re: xt as a single point of reference Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-08-04 10:20 -0500
                Re: xt as a single point of reference Bill Richards <billrich@gmx.com> - 2013-08-04 16:09 +0000
                [OT] Free software ramblings (was: xt as a single point of reference) Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-08-04 11:55 -0500
                Re: [OT] Free software ramblings (was: xt as a single point of reference) Bill Richards <billrich@gmx.com> - 2013-08-04 17:03 +0000
                Re: [OT] Free software ramblings Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-08-04 13:13 -0500
                Re: [OT] Free software ramblings Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-08-04 10:33 -0700
                Re: [OT] Free software ramblings albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-08-04 18:12 +0000
                Re: [OT] Free software ramblings Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-08-04 13:17 -0500
                Re: [OT] Free software ramblings anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-08-05 16:55 +0000
                Re: xt as a single point of reference Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-08-04 10:17 -0700
                Re: xt as a single point of reference Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-08-04 13:23 -0500
                Re: xt as a single point of reference Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-08-05 00:30 -0700
                Re: xt as a single point of reference Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-08-05 03:40 -0500
                Re: xt as a single point of reference Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-08-04 23:26 +0200
                Re: xt as a single point of reference Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-08-04 17:30 -0500
                Re: xt as a single point of reference Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-08-06 13:52 +0200
                Re: xt as a single point of reference Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-08-06 16:41 -0500
                Re: xt as a single point of reference "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-08-04 14:00 -0500
                Re: xt as a single point of reference Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-08-04 16:28 -0700
                Re: xt as a single point of reference "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-08-04 19:03 -0500
                Re: xt as a single point of reference Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-08-04 23:31 -0700
                Re: xt as a single point of reference Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-08-05 03:48 -0500
                Re: xt as a single point of reference "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-08-05 22:41 -0700
                Re: xt as a single point of reference Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-08-06 13:27 +0200
                Re: xt as a single point of reference Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-08-06 06:22 -0700
                Re: xt as a single point of reference "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-08-05 22:39 -0700
                Re: xt as a single point of reference Bill Richards <billrich@gmx.com> - 2013-08-05 07:50 +0000
                Re: xt as a single point of reference albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-08-05 18:28 +0000
                Re: xt as a single point of reference "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-08-05 22:43 -0700
                Re: xt as a single point of reference Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-08-06 00:10 -0700
                Re: xt as a single point of reference Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-08-06 00:16 -0700
                Re: xt as a single point of reference Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-08-06 00:17 -0700
                Re: xt as a single point of reference Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-08-06 00:47 -0700
                Re: xt as a single point of reference Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-08-06 13:35 +0200
                Re: xt as a single point of reference albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-08-06 10:24 +0000
                Re: xt as a single point of reference Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-08-06 13:32 +0200
                Re: xt as a single point of reference Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-08-06 06:24 -0700
                Re: xt as a single point of reference Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-08-06 13:19 +0200
                Re: xt as a single point of reference "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-08-06 12:55 -1000
                Re: xt as a single point of reference Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-08-07 01:22 +0200
                Re: xt as a single point of reference "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-08-06 14:03 -1000
                Re: xt as a single point of reference Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-08-07 13:56 +0200
                Re: xt as a single point of reference Bill Richards <billrich@gmx.com> - 2013-08-05 07:46 +0000
                Re: xt as a single point of reference Bill Richards <billrich@gmx.com> - 2013-08-05 07:42 +0000
                Re: xt as a single point of reference (was RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-08-04 22:29 +0200
                Re: xt as a single point of reference (was RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST) Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-08-04 15:34 -0500
                Re: xt as a single point of reference (was RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-08-05 16:59 +0000
                Re: xt as a single point of reference (was RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST) Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-08-05 13:30 -0500
                Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-07-29 17:26 +0000
                Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-07-29 19:58 +0200
              Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2013-07-29 22:01 +0000
                Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-07-30 07:57 +0000
                Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2013-07-30 09:57 +0000
                Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-07-30 12:16 +0000
            Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision mhx@iae.nl - 2013-07-27 14:43 -0700
            Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-07-29 01:46 -0700
              Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-07-29 04:06 -0500
                Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-07-29 06:37 -0700
                Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-07-29 08:44 -0500
                Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-07-29 12:26 -1000
            Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-07-29 17:21 +0000
              Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2013-07-30 10:04 +0000
                Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-07-30 12:09 +0000
                Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2013-07-30 15:28 +0000
                Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-07-31 01:10 +0200
                Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2013-07-31 12:21 +0000
                Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-07-31 14:34 +0000
                Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-07-31 11:54 -0500
                Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2013-07-31 17:00 +0000
                Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-07-31 17:15 +0000
                Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2013-07-31 22:45 +0000
                Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-08-01 11:20 +0000
                Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2013-08-01 21:41 +0100
                Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2013-08-02 01:04 +0200
                Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision m.a.m.hendrix@tue.nl - 2013-08-02 00:56 -0700
                Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2013-08-02 22:12 +0200
                Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-08-02 13:12 +0000
                Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-08-01 14:49 +0200
                Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2013-08-01 13:02 +0000
                Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-08-01 13:02 +0000
                Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-08-01 13:07 +0000
            Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision Michael L Gassanenko <m_l_g3@yahoo.com> - 2013-08-12 04:45 -0700
              Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-08-12 07:17 -0500
                Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-08-12 15:01 +0200
                Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-08-12 08:19 -0500
                Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-08-12 15:33 +0200
                Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-08-12 12:39 -0500
                Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2013-08-12 22:36 +0100
                Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-08-12 17:00 -0500
                Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2013-08-12 23:27 +0100
                Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-08-13 03:22 -0500
                Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2013-08-13 16:39 +0100
                Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-08-14 00:57 -0700
                Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision mhx@iae.nl - 2013-08-14 02:04 -0700
                Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-08-14 02:19 -0700
                Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2013-08-14 11:15 +0100
                Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-08-14 12:50 +0000
                Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-08-14 12:49 +0000
                Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-08-13 07:51 +0000
                SYNONYM on VFX (was: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-08-13 08:33 +0000
                Re: SYNONYM on VFX (was: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-08-13 23:07 +0200
                Re: SYNONYM on VFX (was: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision) Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-08-14 02:00 -0700
                Re: SYNONYM on VFX (was: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-08-14 18:30 +0200
                Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-08-13 01:17 +0200
                Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-08-13 03:28 -0500
                Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-08-13 10:34 +0000
                Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-08-13 10:11 -0500
                Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-08-13 15:55 +0000
                Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-08-13 11:20 -0500
                Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-08-12 15:40 +0000
                Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-08-12 15:36 +0000
                Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-08-12 12:40 -0500
                Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-08-13 07:29 +0000
                Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-08-13 03:30 -0500
        Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-07-29 16:59 +0000
          Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-07-29 15:29 -0500
            Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-07-29 15:25 -1000
              Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2013-07-30 10:06 +0000
    Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-07-27 01:53 +0000
  Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-07-30 12:48 +0000
  Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-08-05 01:04 -0700
    Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-08-05 03:51 -0500
    Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2013-08-05 13:37 +0100
      Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-08-05 17:21 +0000
  Re: RFD: TRAVERSE-WORDLIST v6 revision anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-08-08 16:49 +0000

csiph-web