Re: Simple Sort - the smallest sorting routine?

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Date	2013-07-04 21:30 -0700
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Subject	Re: Simple Sort - the smallest sorting routine?
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On Thursday, July 4, 2013 2:58:19 AM UTC-7, Alex McDonald wrote:
> On Thursday, 4 July 2013 02:41:28 UTC+1, hughag...@yahoo.com  wrote:
> Heapsort and a linked list merge sort differ in that heapsort is unstable, and it requires auxiliary space. So much for "theoretically the same". You mean that they are both worst case O(n log n); that's not the only criteria for categorising or selecting a sort.

HeapSort doesn't require auxiliary memory.

The reason why I use HeapSort rather than QuickSort, is because HeapSort is more consistent in how much time it takes, whereas QuickSort varies a lot depending upon how well-ordered the original data is. This is important for micro-controllers, where consistency is hugely important (although the novice package isn't for micro-controllers, so that doesn't apply there).

QuickSort is so simple that it is easy to memorize. In a job interview, if they want me to write a sort program on the blackboard, I'll go with QuickSort for this reason --- I can't remember how to implement HeapSort without looking it up, although HeapSort is what I actually use in practice.

> > I wouldn't be so bold as to say that the MergeSort is certainly faster and that somebody else "ought" to use it, without having actually tried the technique first myself.
> 
> In other words, you don't have a clue, yet you're happy to spout off about code quality, sorting in general and the superiority of you novice code without any justification.

I have never implemented a MergeSort --- maybe I will do so for the next novice-package release. It is awkward right now, that I have two ways to sort lists, the InsertionSort for small lists, and the BIG-SORT (convert to and from an array of pointers) for big lists. It would be better to just have one list-sort function. I will still keep InsertionSort though, for the case where items are added to the list one at a time, and inserted into a sorted position --- this is actually a lot more common than building up an entire list unsorted, and then sorting it all in one fell swoop --- in my own programs that use list.4th, this is all that I've ever done.

Writing code for the novice package isn't just a way to benefit my legion of users (I don't actually have any users, afaik), but it is also a way for me to learn new stuff.

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