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Re: Simple Sort - the smallest sorting routine?

From Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid>
Subject Re: Simple Sort - the smallest sorting routine?
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hughaguilar96@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Monday, July 8, 2013 12:27:53 AM UTC-7, Andrew Haley wrote:
>> hughaguilar96@yahoo.com wrote:
>> > On Sunday, July 7, 2013 5:25:07 PM UTC-7, Andrew Haley wrote:
>> >> hughaguilar96@yahoo.com wrote:
> 
>> >> > You don't measure anything either; you just read magazine articles
>> >> > and believe everything that you're told.
>> 
>> >> And yet, astonishingly, I'm the one who actually produces the numbers.
>> 
>> > Show us the source-code then.
>> 
>> Sure, but I didn't write the code, and it's not exactly on-topic here.
> 
> Astonishingly, I expected that you didn't write the code, that the
> code wasn't in Forth, and that you got it from a magazine or
> downloaded it from the internet.

Astonishingly.  :-)

It doesn't really matter for determining the speed of the algorithms,
though.

And it's good competition: it would be very interesting to see if any
of the Forth compilers could match it.

>> > As I said, x86 benchmarks are not worth much. There are a lot of
>> > factors that affect the speed of the x86. Preloading the code and
>> > data cache is a major factor. There are other factors --- the x86 is
>> > a very complicated processor --- it is not going to give consistent
>> > results on benchmarks.
>> 
>> This has got to be the most pathetic excuse for not measuring that I
>> have ever heard.
> 
> No data is better than bad data. 

Obviously not.  But you claim that you use heapsort because of its
performance.  And we've discovered that its performance isn't all that
good.

>> Well, if you're not interested, why did you jump in?
> 
> To make this point:
> 
> On Wednesday, June 26, 2013 4:37:45 PM UTC-7, hughag...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> On Wednesday, June 26, 2013 1:35:37 PM UTC-7, Alex McDonald wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, 26 June 2013 21:23:12 UTC+1, WJ  wrote:
>> 
>> > > Can the Forth routine sort a list of strings?
>> > > No, it can't.  Of course not.
>> > > Forth is a stone-age toy.  It is pure crap.
>> 
>> > If you knew any Forth you'd see that, by changing just PRECEDES,
>> > anything is sortable, including strings.
>> 
>> > But you don't. Your loss.
>> 
>> It would be a lot better if the xt of the comparer function was
>> passed in as a parameter, and the size of the elements was also
>> passed in as a parameter.

But that's a stupid idea.  You'd just make it slower.  Not that that
would matter, because you wouldn't measure it.  And then you'd be able
to maintain your fantasy that it really was faster, because ... well,
just because.

Andrew.

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