Re: when forth pc with a firefox liek browser?

From	Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid>
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Subject	Re: when forth pc with a firefox liek browser?
Date	2013-05-11 18:02 -0700
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rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> writes:
> I can assure you that many devices still contain four bit CPUs without
> being in an ASIC.  8 bitters are alive and very well.  If you are
> counting pennies, the smaller CPUs will have the advantage

At some point the cost of a circuit delivered as an IC gets dominated by
the cost of the packaging and assembly rather than the silicon.  That's
why we don't see many 7400 quad NAND gate chips any more, or for that
matter any 8-bit CPU's (e.g. like the 6502) as opposed to SOC's where
the CPU, some ram, program memory, ADC/DAC's etc. are all right there on
the die.  If the least you can end up paying for a packaged part is
(say) 25 cents, it follows that the part will end up doing more and
more, thus the idea of 32-bit replacing 8-bit.  I don't think it's
happening on a big scale just yet, but I do believe there are some 50
cent Cortex M0+ parts.

>> I just got a Beaglebone Black
> Why a Beaglebone as opposed to a lower cost CPU board?

It's the same idea as a Raspberry Pi, a fairly cheap ($45) but quite
powerful board with a lot of stuff that you can plug into a computer or
monitor and program like a PC.  I guess there are some other boards that
cost a little less, so if I were buying high quantities I'd check into
them.

There are also boards like the STM Discovery or TI Launchpad which cost
a lot less but are much less powerful.  They are of interest as Forth
targets but I bought the Beaglebone for somewhat different purposes.
I may end up actually using the Beaglebone as a file server.

> That is not in conflict with bottom up coding and test.

Here's a post advocating the ultimate in top down: ship the product
before even starting to code.

http://viniciusvacanti.com/2013/05/07/the-manual-first-startup/

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