Re: when forth pc with a firefox liek browser?

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Date	2013-05-08 00:32 -0700
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Subject	Re: when forth pc with a firefox liek browser?
From	Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com>

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>If an
>application is coded in a fast implementation of Forth, instead of
>using C or C++, no one will notice or care that it was coded in
>Forth.  If no one notices or cares, what advantage does Forth have
>over non-Forth?  None.


Exactly. Well said. Forth is not fairy dust that, when sprinkled over
an application (or a type of application) magically makes it better.
It's just a programming language. I happen to like it as a programming
language, but it's JUST a language. There's nothing that can *only* be
done in Forth. And probably nothing that is *better* in Forth than
other languages. It's just a tool in your toolbox. It's nothing more
than spanner or a hammer. It just gets a job done. In some
circumstances it excels (low-level embedded) - like using a small
rubber hammer on a delicate work-piece rather than a mallet), in other
cases, it's not so good (you wouldn't use a small rubber hammer to
knock a wall down).

Apparantly, Java runs in all BluRay DVD players. Do I care? Would I
care if it was replaced with some other languge? Of course not. Java
was probably selected because it's massive class-space covers a *lot*
of ground. There's classes in there for most everything you would want
to do (implelented by others, either in Java or some other language).
It's a massive (and rather inefficient) swiss-army knife. If it were a
real swiss-army knife, it would be really heavy and uncomfortable in
your pocket, and reaching for the right blade/implement would be
awkward, and it would feel awkward in your hand while you were using
it, but it would get the job done, and would save you from having to
carry around a large toolbox.

Where would you even *start* with an E-commerce system in Forth. Where
is your:

* Dynamic memory allocation/de-allocation
* TCP/IP
* HTTPS
* Message queues
* Atomic transactions

Using Forth for e-commerce would be like turning up for an apartment
block demolition with a hammer.

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