Re: Adding thousands separators

From	hughaguilar96@yahoo.com
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Subject	Re: Adding thousands separators
Date	2012-02-29 22:48 -0800
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On Wednesday, February 29, 2012 1:29:30 AM UTC-7, The Beez wrote:
> Hugh Aguilar wrote:
> > When working with numeric data, it is best to work with it as a
> > number. Working with numeric data as a string is cumbersome --- that
> > is the kind of thing that a Perl programmer would do!
> I'd say it's just an additional formatter that can be added to an already
> generated FP or double number. I don't see anything wrong with that. As a
> matter of fact, adding an entirely new formatter would duplicate a lot of
> code (especially in FP).

Of course anybody who writes a function to convert a float into a string is duplicating code --- F. certainly has this code buried inside of it --- the problem is that we can't get access to that buried code.

> > That looks like beautiful well-factored Forth code to me. It is longer
> > than 7 lines (according to "Thinking Forth," functions should
> > generally be 7 lines or less), but it follows a simple pattern so it
> > is quite readable despite its length.
> I don't say it's not readable: it just could be factored even more.
>  
> > Ask Anton Ertl what he thinks of it --- he is the professor.
> I tend to be on Chuck's side a lot of the time. Why? That's a good one..
> Lemme think.. Oh yeah, I remember: he invented the language!

You're just name-dropping. I doubt that you have ever met Chuck Moore. I haven't.

You are not the only person that name-drops Chuck Moore's name --- Elizabeth Rather endlessly brags about the fact that she knew Chuck Moore in the 1970s, and plasters this all over the Forth Inc. website --- strangely enough though, Chuck Moore doesn't brag about the fact that he knew her. 

Similarly, lot of people (including myself) invoke Chuck Moore's name on comp.lang.forth, but Chuck Moore hasn't visited comp.lang.forth in many years --- apparently because he thinks that c.l.f. is a big waste of time, and that there is nothing to be learned on c.l.f. (I would give him credit for being perceptive!).

> > I have already said many times that some of the code in the novice
> > package is low-level. The implementation of an array definer is very
> > low-level --- the important goal with arrays is execution speed ---
> > rules for readability that apply to high-level code get waived for low-
> > level code.
> I agree that library grade code has to follow slightly different rules than
> user programs. Still, this is a monster.

Most likely you don't understand how <6ARRAY> works, but have just noticed its length. It is actually generating several colon words using :NAME --- those are distinct functions, each of which is fairly short --- it is not a monolithic function.

> > I don't want Ed or anybody else to drop Forth. But I see people show
> > up on comp.lang.forth filled with enthusiasm for learning Forth, and
> > then they disappear after a few weeks. It is because you guys don't
> > offer any support for novices. This thread is a good example of how
> > you fail to support novices. Talking about ones-complement arithmetic
> > makes us look like idiots --- that is not helping to convince anybody
> > to stick with Forth.
> There is no separate group for Forth experts, so the discussions can get as
> high level as they get. And I think it's required to have such discussions,
> even if they go nowhere or just confirm the (sometimes uncomfortable)
> status quo. 

A discussion of ones-complement arithmetic is neither low-level nor high-level --- it is just dumb.

Besides that, doesn't everybody claim to be a Forth expert? Almost every time that I have mentioned that I am a Forth programmer (such as in a job interview), the person that I was talking to has informed me that he is a Forth expert. This claim is almost always based on the fact that he once implemented a Forth interpreter in C (or Perl for Passaniti). He expects me to be highly impressed, assuming that I am a mere application programmer and believe that compiler-writers are demi-gods. Invariably, in the next breath the self-proclaimed expert will tell me that Forth is too inefficient and too lacking in basic features to be used for application programming, but that implementing a Forth interpreter in C is a mildly fun C project.

> > This kind of stuff is trivial. It is useful, which is why I provided
> > it in the novice package, but it is pretty basic. There is a lot more
> > important code in the novice package than this stuff.
> Sorry, I don't see it. Wrappers to ALLOCATE, lots of stuff to treat the
> stack as an array, lists (is this LISP?), duplicates of Forth200x words,
> etc. I've seen most and usually better.

Those wrappers for ALLOCATE are extremely useful, because they allow ALLOCATION to work (which I tried to get into Forth-200x to no avail). This is useful for cloning data-structures when the nodes are of various types and of various sizes. Also, I have compatibility between heap and dictionary allocation, so I can have data structures that contain some nodes in the heap and some in the dictionary. If I deallocate a node that is in the dictionary, it doesn't crash the computer (nothing happens). This allows me to shift some processing over to compile-time (putting the data-structure in the dictionary) that had previously been done at run-time (putting the data-structure in the heap), without having to modify the code that works with those data-structures. Go over that stuff again --- you might learn something. Read the file (http://www.forth.org/novice.pdf) for a discussion of what this stuff does.

Your other comments were just nonsense. For example, saying that I have "lots of stuff to treat the stack as an array" isn't true. I have THIRD and all that, but those are just a handful of functions. I only use them when speed is an issue, but otherwise I use local variables. And what is wrong with lists? I was impressed by how Factor used "sequences" as its primary data-structure. My lists are my answer to Factor's sequences. Every language needs some kind of data-structure to use primarily (lists for Lisp, tables for Lua, sequences for Factor, etc.).

> > I'm not aware of anybody on comp.lang.forth who is in my league. The
> > only person who is capable of writing something comparable to the
> > novice package is Anton Ertl, but he spends all of his time dinking
> > around with Gforth which is just a toy interpreter, and he seems to
> > have no interest in supporting application programming.
> You have a lot of respect for your guru, so much is clear. Where's your
> ultimate Forth compiler Hugh?

I think Anton Ertl is a good Forth programmer. I also think that he has allowed himself to become a stooge of Forth Inc. and MPE. For example, he standardized BUFFER: in Forth-200x because both SwiftForth and VFX have it. That is ridiculous! He is dinking around with Gforth only because it is slower than SwiftForth and hence doesn't represent a threat to Forth Inc. --- he should be writing a library comparable to my novice package in order to support application programming --- he is supposed to be a teacher, and a library of code is the best way to teach students how to write applications.

I have abandoned ANS-Forth and Forth-200x. I'm writing my own Forth, which I will call Straight Forth (my slogan will be: "Don't be gay --- program Straight"). It is coming --- there is a lot of work involved in writing a compiler (I should know, as I've done it professionally once before).

Maybe I will just forget about Forth altogether. Imagine what a happy day that would be for Elizabeth Rather --- she would be dancing in the streets! Nobody in the real world cares about Forth. People graduate from college as computer programmers without ever hearing of Forth (when I have said that I'm a Forth programmer, the most common response is for people to think that I'm mispronouncing "Fortran"). Forth is a complete failure --- it is a waste of time. I'm one of a tiny handful of people who have worked professionally as a Forth programmer --- when I quit Testra in the late 1990s, I may have been the last of the Mohicans --- the last professional Forther on the planet (I don't consider Elizabeth Rather to be a programmer, so she doesn't count).

> > You know, 
> > there is a reason why so few applications have been written in Forth
> > --- it is because the Forth experts aren't providing libraries of code
> > that would be useful for application programming.
> 4tH comes with 270+ libraries, totaling 500+ kB of code.
> 
> Hans Bezemer

I'm somewhat interested in your 4TH. Is it ANS-Forth compliant? Does it generate machine-code, or is it just a threaded system?

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Adding thousands separators "Ed" <nospam@invalid.com> - 2012-02-13 21:24 +1100
  Re: Adding thousands separators Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2012-02-13 13:05 -0800
    Re: Adding thousands separators "Ed" <nospam@invalid.com> - 2012-02-16 10:19 +1100
  Re: Adding thousands separators Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2012-02-15 08:48 +0100
    Re: Adding thousands separators Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2012-02-23 22:46 -0800
      Re: Adding thousands separators "A. K." <akk@nospam.org> - 2012-02-24 08:07 +0100
      Re: Adding thousands separators Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2012-02-24 15:00 +0100
        Re: Adding thousands separators "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-02-24 08:29 -1000
          Re: Adding thousands separators Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2012-02-25 00:11 +0100
        Re: Adding thousands separators Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2012-02-27 23:28 -0800
          Re: Adding thousands separators Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2012-02-28 01:37 -0800
            Re: Adding thousands separators Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2012-02-28 15:06 +0200
          Re: Adding thousands separators Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2012-02-29 09:29 +0100
            Re: Adding thousands separators Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2012-02-29 03:00 -0600
              Re: Adding thousands separators The Beez <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2012-02-29 03:44 -0800
                Re: Adding thousands separators Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2012-02-29 11:19 -0600
            Re: Adding thousands separators hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2012-02-29 22:48 -0800
              Re: Adding thousands separators Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2012-03-01 08:38 +0100
                Re: Adding thousands separators Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2012-03-01 00:57 -0800
                Re: Adding thousands separators Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2012-03-01 18:23 +0100
                Re: Adding thousands separators John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2012-03-01 17:22 -0800
                Re: Adding thousands separators Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-03-01 18:00 -0800
                Re: Adding thousands separators Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2012-03-01 22:14 -0800
                Re: Adding thousands separators John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2012-03-02 06:58 -0800
                Re: Adding thousands separators Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-03-02 11:07 -0800
                Re: Adding thousands separators Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2012-03-02 13:13 -0600
                Re: Adding thousands separators John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2012-03-02 11:25 -0800
                Re: Adding thousands separators Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2012-03-03 11:00 +0000
                Re: Adding thousands separators Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-03-03 03:17 -0800
                Re: Adding thousands separators anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2012-03-03 12:30 +0000
                Re: Adding thousands separators John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2012-03-03 11:39 -0800
                Re: Adding thousands separators Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-03-06 16:31 -0800
                Re: Adding thousands separators mhx@iae.nl (Marcel Hendrix) - 2012-03-03 15:52 +0200
                Re: Adding thousands separators Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2012-03-03 16:23 +0100
                Re: Adding thousands separators Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-03-03 10:19 -0800
                Re: Adding thousands separators John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2012-03-03 12:35 -0800
                Re: Adding thousands separators Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2012-03-03 11:02 -0600
                Re: Adding thousands separators anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2012-03-03 17:25 +0000
                Re: Adding thousands separators Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-03-03 10:14 -0800
                Re: Adding thousands separators Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2012-03-03 14:14 -0600
                Re: Adding thousands separators Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-03-03 14:52 -0800
                Re: Adding thousands separators Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2012-03-04 03:39 -0600
                Re: Adding thousands separators anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2012-03-04 15:02 +0000
                Re: Adding thousands separators Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2012-03-03 14:11 -0600
                Re: Adding thousands separators Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-03-03 23:49 +0100
                Re: Adding thousands separators Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-03-03 15:50 -0800
                Re: Adding thousands separators anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2012-03-04 15:38 +0000
                Re: Adding thousands separators Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-03-04 18:08 +0100
                Re: Adding thousands separators Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2012-03-04 11:20 -0600
                Re: Adding thousands separators anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2012-03-04 17:45 +0000
                Re: Adding thousands separators Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-03-04 23:50 +0100
                Re: Adding thousands separators anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2012-03-05 14:39 +0000
                Re: Adding thousands separators Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-03-06 13:01 -0800
                Re: Adding thousands separators anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2012-03-12 16:05 +0000
                Re: Adding thousands separators Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2012-03-03 15:45 -0800
                Re: Adding thousands separators John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2012-03-03 17:56 -0800
                Re: Adding thousands separators Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2012-03-05 15:41 -0800
                Re: Adding thousands separators John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2012-03-06 11:27 -0800
                Re: Adding thousands separators John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2012-03-03 11:01 -0800
                Re: Adding thousands separators John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2012-03-02 05:53 -0800
                Re: Adding thousands separators Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-03-03 01:49 +0100
      Re: Adding thousands separators "Ed" <nospam@invalid.com> - 2012-02-29 17:20 +1100
        Re: Adding thousands separators "A. K." <akk@nospam.org> - 2012-02-29 07:51 +0100
        Re: Adding thousands separators hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2012-02-29 21:26 -0800
          Re: Adding thousands separators "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2012-03-03 03:45 +0000
          Re: Adding thousands separators "Ed" <nospam@invalid.com> - 2012-03-04 20:49 +1100
            Re: Adding thousands separators Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2012-03-04 15:16 +0100
              Re: Adding thousands separators "Ed" <nospam@invalid.com> - 2012-03-06 15:06 +1100
                Re: Adding thousands separators Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2012-03-06 08:32 +0100
            Re: Adding thousands separators Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2012-03-05 15:06 -0800
              Re: Adding thousands separators "Ed" <nospam@invalid.com> - 2012-03-06 15:03 +1100
              Re: Adding thousands separators hwfwguy@gmail.com - 2012-03-06 20:29 -0800
                Re: Adding thousands separators Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2012-03-06 23:18 -0800
                Re: Adding thousands separators John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2012-03-07 06:07 -0800
                Re: Adding thousands separators hwfwguy@gmail.com - 2012-03-07 06:36 -0800
                Re: Adding thousands separators Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2012-03-07 16:19 -0800
                Re: Adding thousands separators Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2012-03-08 10:51 +0000
  Re: Adding thousands separators Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2012-02-15 20:18 -0500
    Re: Adding thousands separators "Ed" <nospam@invalid.com> - 2012-02-17 12:29 +1100
      Re: Adding thousands separators BruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net> - 2012-02-17 09:42 -0800
        Re: Adding thousands separators anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2012-02-20 15:24 +0000
          Re: Adding thousands separators BruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net> - 2012-02-20 20:41 -0800
            Re: Adding thousands separators anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2012-02-21 16:46 +0000
              Re: Adding thousands separators Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2012-02-21 12:23 -0600
                Re: Adding thousands separators BruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net> - 2012-02-21 11:32 -0800
                Re: Adding thousands separators "Ed" <nospam@invalid.com> - 2012-02-22 12:46 +1100
                Re: Adding thousands separators anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2012-02-22 10:08 +0000
                Re: Adding thousands separators "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-02-22 08:51 -1000
                Re: Adding thousands separators BruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net> - 2012-02-22 14:28 -0800
                Re: Adding thousands separators anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2012-02-23 13:13 +0000
                Re: Adding thousands separators "Ed" <nospam@invalid.com> - 2012-02-24 14:32 +1100
                Re: Adding thousands separators "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-02-23 19:53 -1000
                Re: Adding thousands separators "Ed" <nospam@invalid.com> - 2012-03-03 12:47 +1100
                Re: Adding thousands separators BruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net> - 2012-03-02 22:26 -0800
                Re: Adding thousands separators Jan Coombs <jan_2011-02@murray-microft.co.uk> - 2012-03-03 14:32 +0000
                Re: Adding thousands separators "Ed" <nospam@invalid.com> - 2012-03-04 21:31 +1100
                Re: Adding thousands separators BruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net> - 2012-03-04 10:07 -0800
                Re: Adding thousands separators "Ed" <nospam@invalid.com> - 2012-03-06 15:31 +1100
                Re: Adding thousands separators BruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net> - 2012-03-05 22:26 -0800
                Re: Adding thousands separators Josh Grams <josh@qualdan.com> - 2012-03-06 12:32 +0000
                Re: Adding thousands separators BruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net> - 2012-02-24 05:04 -0800
                Re: Adding thousands separators "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-02-24 08:30 -1000
                Re: Adding thousands separators Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2012-02-22 04:28 -0600
                Re: Adding thousands separators stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2012-02-22 14:59 +0000
                Re: Adding thousands separators stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2012-02-22 18:05 +0000
                Re: Adding thousands separators BruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net> - 2012-02-22 07:49 -0800
                Re: Adding thousands separators Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-02-22 12:46 -0800
                Re: Adding thousands separators BruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net> - 2012-02-22 18:24 -0800
                Re: Adding thousands separators "Ed" <nospam@invalid.com> - 2012-02-24 13:23 +1100
              Re: Adding thousands separators BruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net> - 2012-02-21 11:29 -0800
                Re: Adding thousands separators anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2012-02-22 09:56 +0000
                Re: Adding thousands separators BruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net> - 2012-02-22 07:37 -0800
                Re: Adding thousands separators Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2012-02-22 10:30 -0600
                Re: Adding thousands separators anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2012-02-22 16:24 +0000
                Re: Adding thousands separators Brad <hwfwguy@gmail.com> - 2012-02-23 07:44 -0800
                Re: Adding thousands separators Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-02-23 17:54 +0100
                Re: Adding thousands separators anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2012-02-23 16:51 +0000
                Re: Adding thousands separators Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2012-02-23 11:49 -0600
                Re: Adding thousands separators Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-02-23 13:26 -0800
                Re: Adding thousands separators Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2012-02-23 15:58 -0600
                Re: Adding thousands separators Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-02-26 02:25 +0100
                Re: Adding thousands separators Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2012-02-26 03:24 -0600
                Re: Adding thousands separators anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2012-02-26 13:40 +0000
                Re: Adding thousands separators Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2012-02-26 11:06 -0600
                Re: Adding thousands separators BruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net> - 2012-02-23 15:02 -0800
  Re: Adding thousands separators Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2012-02-16 13:21 -0500
  Re: Adding thousands separators Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-02-16 20:44 -0800
    Re: Adding thousands separators Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2012-02-17 21:32 +0100
  Re: Adding thousands separators "A. K." <akk@nospam.org> - 2012-02-17 22:41 +0100
    Re: Adding thousands separators BruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net> - 2012-02-17 18:52 -0800
      Re: Adding thousands separators "A. K." <akk@nospam.org> - 2012-02-18 10:39 +0100
        Re: Adding thousands separators "Ed" <nospam@invalid.com> - 2012-02-18 21:22 +1100
          Re: Adding thousands separators "A. K." <akk@nospam.org> - 2012-02-18 13:12 +0100
            Re: Adding thousands separators "Peter Knaggs" <pjk@bcs.org.uk> - 2012-02-18 16:30 +0000
              Re: Adding thousands separators Jan Coombs <jan_2011-02@murray-microft.co.uk> - 2012-02-18 17:08 +0000
              Re: Adding thousands separators BruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net> - 2012-02-18 14:46 -0800
            Re: Adding thousands separators "Ed" <nospam@invalid.com> - 2012-03-04 20:47 +1100
  Re: Adding thousands separators Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2012-02-28 17:03 -0800
  Re: Adding thousands separators "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2012-03-01 18:13 +0000
    Re: Adding thousands separators Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2012-03-01 12:46 -0800
  Re: Adding thousands separators "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2012-03-01 18:52 +0000

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