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| From | felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | aus.tv, aus.computers |
| Subject | Re: VHS Tape Collectors |
| Date | 2017-03-20 13:42 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <ej8tt2Fbpl4U1@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
| References | (15 earlier) <58c88eac$0$11119$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> <oabj03$1pqj$1@gioia.aioe.org> <58ca7c69$0$11121$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> <ej695nFq33cU2@mid.individual.net> <oamriv$84c$1@dont-email.me> |
Cross-posted to 2 groups.
On Monday, 20 Mar 2017 8:04 AM, BruceS wrote:
> On 03/18/2017 08:36 PM, felix wrote:
>> On Thursday, 16 Mar 2017 10:52 PM, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 15/03/2017 10:27 PM, Trevor wrote:
>>>> On 15/03/2017 11:45 AM, Clocky wrote:
>>>>> On 15/03/2017 5:54 AM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>>>>> Trevor <trevor@home.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 14/03/2017 9:16 AM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>>>>>>> That said, I wouldn't go to the trouble of
>>>>>>>> transferring them all to HDD
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Me either, but only because *very few* are worth the effort
>>>>>>> involved.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (or HDDs, because they have been known to be much less reliable
>>>>>>>> than tapes), so maybe it's a moot point anyway.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No. With digital you can have as many back-ups as needed, and
>>>>>>> transfer
>>>>>>> them as often as necessary without further degradation.
>>>>>>> Something you
>>>>>>> simply cannot do with any analog media.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Having to make backups because the medium itself (Hard Disks) is
>>>>>> less reliable is half of the effort. Especially because some HDD
>>>>>> models of old have been known to "stick" and fail to spin up after
>>>>>> being left unused for a long time, so I'd have to keep checking
>>>>>> them as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not only that, but formats, interfaces, operating systems and
>>>>> codecs or
>>>>> become obsolete change which can complicate matters.
>>>>
>>>> Right, and Beta/VHS players will never become obsolete of course. Oh
>>>> wait, they already are!
>>>>
>>> How long did that take? The medium remains intact in any event, much
>>> more reliably then digital formats.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Some of my old Backup DVD's and CD's are unreadable after a few years
>>>>> kept in temperature stable dry conditions whilst I have home recorded
>>>>> audio and video cassettes that are 30+ years old kept in less than
>>>>> ideal
>>>>> storage that still work perfectly.
>>>>
>>>> I still have some Phillips format video tapes. Try finding a player
>>>> for
>>>> those now! Also some Umatic tapes. You can find players for those, but
>>>> it would be hard to justify the cost!
>>>>
>>>
>>> Try finding a working Zip disk reader,
>>
>> I have several; read and write
>>
>>> floptical or or 2.88mb floppy disk drive.
>>>
>>>> But one thing you should remember is that audio and video data
>>>> files are
>>>> often recoverable where program files would not be. One bit error on a
>>>> program and it's toast.
>
> As a software developer, I can tell you that this is absolutely not
> absolutely true. Flipping one bit *could* be fatal to an executable,
> or it could have little to no effect. Theoretically, it could even
> improve the program, though I don't recommend random bit-flipping as
> any sort of bug-fix strategy.
>
> All this talk of obsolete formats reminded me that I have some old
> Travan TR-1 backup tapes. One is still in its wrapper, so I know that
> has no value, two others are marked as full backups from 1998, and
> another three are opened but unlabeled. I have no idea what's on
> these, other than whatever I felt 19 years ago was worth backing up. I
> also don't know where the drive is, if I still have it. I just have to
> assume that anything I haven't wanted in that long is probably not
> worth much trouble trying to recover. Each tape holds an amazing 400MB
> (800MB compressed with their rather optimistic estimate of compression).
>
> I also recently brought back to life an old PC that uses EIDE drives.
> My current desktop won't even take those, only having SATA connectors.
> I have very limited options getting data from the one to the other.
not really, just put a card in to give you ide ports, or use an IDE to
SATA adapter. or you could use a docking station http://tinyurl.com/kwhx75u
> Here again the storage limits are laughable in today's terms. The
> biggest EIDE drive I have is 80GB,
I have 120Gb, 80Gb, 40Gb, and even a 10GB. I also have a 25mb HD that
still works!
> while I have a 256GB thumb drive.
>
> I also still have a few 3.5" floppies ("stiffies")
none of that dirty talk here, thank you! lol.
> , which I could read
> on the old machine, and then transfer to the new if there's any value
> to it. That's a big "if".
I still have a 3.5 floppy drive in the current machine. even have a
5.25" drive in one PC
> Even all these old CDs I have for software
> are of little likely value, since anything coming on a CD probably runs
> on an obsolete OS. There are a few backups mixed in with those, but
> those are also likely worthless, as I'd copy from one hard drive to
> another when upgrading.
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Re: VHS Tape Collectors felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-03-20 13:42 +1100
Re: VHS Tape Collectors Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2017-03-20 11:03 +0800
Re: VHS Tape Collectors BruceS <bruces42@hotmail.com> - 2017-03-20 14:18 -0600
Re: VHS Tape Collectors not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2017-03-20 22:15 +0000
Re: VHS Tape Collectors Lucifer Morningstar <Barry@saymyname.com> - 2017-03-21 10:09 +1100
Re: VHS Tape Collectors Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2017-03-21 08:51 +0800
Re: VHS Tape Collectors Lucifer Morningstar <Barry@saymyname.com> - 2017-03-21 13:34 +1100
Re: VHS Tape Collectors felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-03-21 11:47 +1100
Re: VHS Tape Collectors not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2017-03-22 22:21 +0000
Re: VHS Tape Collectors Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2017-03-21 06:47 +0800
Re: VHS Tape Collectors felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-03-21 15:24 +1100
Re: VHS Tape Collectors Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2017-03-21 14:10 +0800
Re: VHS Tape Collectors BruceS <bruces42@hotmail.com> - 2017-03-21 10:17 -0600
Re: VHS Tape Collectors Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2017-03-22 09:18 +1100
Re: VHS Tape Collectors Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2017-03-22 13:31 +0800
Re: VHS Tape Collectors BruceS <bruces42@hotmail.com> - 2017-03-22 10:04 -0600
Re: VHS Tape Collectors Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2017-03-23 06:30 +1100
Re: VHS Tape Collectors keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2017-03-22 19:28 +1000
Re: VHS Tape Collectors Trevor <trevor@home.net> - 2017-03-22 21:29 +1100
Re: VHS Tape Collectors keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2017-03-22 20:41 +1000
Re: VHS Tape Collectors Trevor <trevor@home.net> - 2017-03-24 12:23 +1100
Re: VHS Tape Collectors Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2017-03-25 10:05 +0800
Re: VHS Tape Collectors Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2017-03-22 20:22 +0000
Re: VHS Tape Collectors keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2017-03-23 10:26 +1000
Re: VHS Tape Collectors Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2017-03-23 12:28 +0800
Re: VHS Tape Collectors keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2017-03-23 16:20 +1000
Re: VHS Tape Collectors Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2017-03-23 22:45 +0800
Re: VHS Tape Collectors Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2017-03-23 14:39 +0000
Re: VHS Tape Collectors Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2017-03-24 22:20 +0800
Re: VHS Tape Collectors Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2017-03-24 14:55 +0000
Re: VHS Tape Collectors Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2017-03-25 07:04 +0800
Re: VHS Tape Collectors Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2017-03-26 20:14 +0000
Re: VHS Tape Collectors Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2017-04-04 17:43 +0800
Re: VHS Tape Collectors Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> - 2017-04-05 07:44 +1000
Re: VHS Tape Collectors Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2017-04-05 08:07 +0800
Re: VHS Tape Collectors keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2017-04-05 14:26 +1000
Re: VHS Tape Collectors Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2017-04-05 14:05 +0800
Re: VHS Tape Collectors felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-04-05 19:34 +1000
Re: VHS Tape Collectors keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2017-04-05 21:20 +1000
Re: VHS Tape Collectors keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2017-04-05 21:19 +1000
Re: VHS Tape Collectors keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2017-03-25 12:26 +1000
Re: VHS Tape Collectors "Blue Heeler" <woof@barque.org> - 2017-03-25 02:47 +0000
Re: VHS Tape Collectors keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2017-03-25 13:47 +1000
Re: VHS Tape Collectors "Blue Heeler" <woof@barque.org> - 2017-03-25 03:56 +0000
Re: VHS Tape Collectors keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2017-03-25 15:36 +1000
Re: VHS Tape Collectors Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2017-03-22 20:09 +0000
Re: VHS Tape Collectors Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2017-03-23 12:38 +0800
Re: VHS Tape Collectors Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2017-03-23 14:34 +0000
Re: VHS Tape Collectors Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2017-03-24 06:49 +0800
Re: VHS Tape Collectors felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-03-21 11:42 +1100
Re: VHS Tape Collectors BruceS <bruces42@hotmail.com> - 2017-03-21 10:24 -0600
Re: VHS Tape Collectors Trevor <trevor@home.net> - 2017-03-21 18:50 +1100
Re: VHS Tape Collectors BruceS <bruces42@hotmail.com> - 2017-03-21 10:31 -0600
Re: VHS Tape Collectors Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2017-03-22 07:53 +0800
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