Re: VHS Tape Collectors

From	keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
Newsgroups	aus.tv, aus.computers
Subject	Re: VHS Tape Collectors
Date	2017-03-25 15:36 +1000
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On 3/25/2017 1:56 PM, Blue Heeler wrote:
> keithr0 wrote:
>
>> On 3/25/2017 12:47 PM, Blue Heeler wrote:
>>> keithr0 wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 3/25/2017 12:55 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>>>> Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 23/03/2017 10:39 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>>>>>> Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>> The most primitive computer I programmed had a card
>>>>>>>> reader.  You would use a pencil to mark the boxes and the
>>>>>>>> card reader would then load the program and run it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I thought it was called something like the System 2000
>>>>>>>> but I could be wrong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What was the programming language?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If BASIC, it may have been a HP (Hewlett Packard) 2000 Time
>> Share
>>>>>>> System. Those systems often had an optical marked-card
>>>>>>> reader, so users - often students - could write their
>>>>>>> programs offline, needing only a pencil. It was one of the
>>>>>>> genarations of HP computers I supported (working for HP).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm pretty sure it was BASIC. There was a terminal that looked
>>>>>> 70's era.  Black keyboard integrated in with the CRT very
>>>>>> basic looking thing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, we would all fill our cards in to program it and then
>>>>>> feed them in to program it. Pretty sure you could do a BASIC
>>>>>> listing once loaded.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But, it's from very distant memory and I really can't recall
>>>>>> much more about it.
>>>>>
>>>>> The system was probably similar to this one.
>>>>>
>>>>> <http://www.hpmuseum.net/display_item.php?hw=411>
>>>>>
>>>>> This is the second generation version, because it has two 2100A/S
>>>>> computers, instead of 2116 (2114?) ones, and a 7905 moving-head
>>>>> disc (no, not disk), instead of earlier head-per track ones. On
>>>>> the bottom-right the papertape reader and on the top-left a
>>>>> (7970B) reel-to-reel tape drive.
>>>>>
>>>>> The card-reader probably looked like this:
>>>>>
>>>>> <http://www.hpmuseum.net/display_item.php?hw=277>
>>>>>
>>>>> The terminal probably was one of these ones:
>>>>>
>>>>> <http://www.hpmuseum.net/display_item.php?hw=94>
>>>>>
>>>>> 'My' (Delta werken) system looked like the left-cabinet of the
>>>>> 2000F Time Share System, with the addition of the papertape
>>>>> reader.  It's computer probably was a newer one, of the 21MX
>>>>> series:
>>>>>
>>>>> <http://hpmuseum.net/display_item.php?hw=108>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for letting me have another look in the HP Computer Museum!
>>>>>
>>>> ICL also made optical mark readers (among others)
>>>
>>> As did NCR
>>>
>> The only ones that I had experience of were on an ICL machine that
>> ABS used for a mid 1970s census, they could have been made by anybody
>> but had ICL on the covers. IBM made them too. Even large computer
>> manufacturers buy in stuff and put their own name on it.
>
> Given NCR's background in mechanical and electro/mechanical cash
> registers, adding machines and accounting machines, you will understand
> that they had immense expertise to bring to any device needing a
> mechanism.
>
Same goes for IBM, I had the "Pleasure" of being the national support 
engineer for several of their large electro-mechanical machines for a 
third party maintenance organisation. A couple of examples:-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_3890 (note the picture, fully blown 
machines were more than 10 metres long)

https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiBoOrc9vDSAhUBWrwKHcehCkYQjRwIBw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fprezi.com%2Fnq1l3oryqpvw%2Fprinter%2F&psig=AFQjCNFklNQ55TMt-z9JAycApx2BPXTU7g&ust=1490506269706551
(IBM 3800 laser printer 20000lpm, could empty a double size box of 
fanfold paper in less than5 minutes. The machine was about the size of a 
Falcon, we fed it with 1.5 metre diameter rolls of paper that weighed 
better than a ton.)

Never did bother messing around with toy machines.

Thread

Re: VHS Tape Collectors felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-03-20 13:42 +1100
  Re: VHS Tape Collectors Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2017-03-20 11:03 +0800
    Re: VHS Tape Collectors BruceS <bruces42@hotmail.com> - 2017-03-20 14:18 -0600
      Re: VHS Tape Collectors not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2017-03-20 22:15 +0000
        Re: VHS Tape Collectors Lucifer Morningstar <Barry@saymyname.com> - 2017-03-21 10:09 +1100
          Re: VHS Tape Collectors Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2017-03-21 08:51 +0800
            Re: VHS Tape Collectors Lucifer Morningstar <Barry@saymyname.com> - 2017-03-21 13:34 +1100
        Re: VHS Tape Collectors felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-03-21 11:47 +1100
          Re: VHS Tape Collectors not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2017-03-22 22:21 +0000
      Re: VHS Tape Collectors Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2017-03-21 06:47 +0800
        Re: VHS Tape Collectors felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-03-21 15:24 +1100
          Re: VHS Tape Collectors Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2017-03-21 14:10 +0800
            Re: VHS Tape Collectors BruceS <bruces42@hotmail.com> - 2017-03-21 10:17 -0600
              Re: VHS Tape Collectors Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2017-03-22 09:18 +1100
                Re: VHS Tape Collectors Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2017-03-22 13:31 +0800
                Re: VHS Tape Collectors BruceS <bruces42@hotmail.com> - 2017-03-22 10:04 -0600
                Re: VHS Tape Collectors Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2017-03-23 06:30 +1100
              Re: VHS Tape Collectors keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2017-03-22 19:28 +1000
                Re: VHS Tape Collectors Trevor <trevor@home.net> - 2017-03-22 21:29 +1100
                Re: VHS Tape Collectors keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2017-03-22 20:41 +1000
                Re: VHS Tape Collectors Trevor <trevor@home.net> - 2017-03-24 12:23 +1100
                Re: VHS Tape Collectors Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2017-03-25 10:05 +0800
                Re: VHS Tape Collectors Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2017-03-22 20:22 +0000
                Re: VHS Tape Collectors keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2017-03-23 10:26 +1000
                Re: VHS Tape Collectors Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2017-03-23 12:28 +0800
                Re: VHS Tape Collectors keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2017-03-23 16:20 +1000
                Re: VHS Tape Collectors Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2017-03-23 22:45 +0800
                Re: VHS Tape Collectors Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2017-03-23 14:39 +0000
                Re: VHS Tape Collectors Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2017-03-24 22:20 +0800
                Re: VHS Tape Collectors Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2017-03-24 14:55 +0000
                Re: VHS Tape Collectors Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2017-03-25 07:04 +0800
                Re: VHS Tape Collectors Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2017-03-26 20:14 +0000
                Re: VHS Tape Collectors Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2017-04-04 17:43 +0800
                Re: VHS Tape Collectors Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> - 2017-04-05 07:44 +1000
                Re: VHS Tape Collectors Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2017-04-05 08:07 +0800
                Re: VHS Tape Collectors keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2017-04-05 14:26 +1000
                Re: VHS Tape Collectors Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2017-04-05 14:05 +0800
                Re: VHS Tape Collectors felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-04-05 19:34 +1000
                Re: VHS Tape Collectors keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2017-04-05 21:20 +1000
                Re: VHS Tape Collectors keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2017-04-05 21:19 +1000
                Re: VHS Tape Collectors keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2017-03-25 12:26 +1000
                Re: VHS Tape Collectors "Blue Heeler" <woof@barque.org> - 2017-03-25 02:47 +0000
                Re: VHS Tape Collectors keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2017-03-25 13:47 +1000
                Re: VHS Tape Collectors "Blue Heeler" <woof@barque.org> - 2017-03-25 03:56 +0000
                Re: VHS Tape Collectors keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2017-03-25 15:36 +1000
        Re: VHS Tape Collectors Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2017-03-22 20:09 +0000
          Re: VHS Tape Collectors Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2017-03-23 12:38 +0800
            Re: VHS Tape Collectors Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2017-03-23 14:34 +0000
              Re: VHS Tape Collectors Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2017-03-24 06:49 +0800
      Re: VHS Tape Collectors felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-03-21 11:42 +1100
        Re: VHS Tape Collectors BruceS <bruces42@hotmail.com> - 2017-03-21 10:24 -0600
      Re: VHS Tape Collectors Trevor <trevor@home.net> - 2017-03-21 18:50 +1100
        Re: VHS Tape Collectors BruceS <bruces42@hotmail.com> - 2017-03-21 10:31 -0600
          Re: VHS Tape Collectors Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2017-03-22 07:53 +0800

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