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Re: [Poll] Computing favorities

From Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca>
Newsgroups alt.folklore.computers
Subject Re: [Poll] Computing favorities
Date 2015-08-26 02:15 -0400
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On Tue, 25 Aug 2015, Charles Richmond wrote:

> "Michael Black" <et472@ncf.ca> wrote in message 
> news:alpine.LNX.2.02.1508241644570.17372@darkstar.example.org...
>> On Tue, 25 Aug 2015, hqhy wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> wrote in message 
>>> news:d40u36Fko4hU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>> "Charlie Gibbs" wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> osmium wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>> Remind me which products of Gates was widely copied?
>>>>> 
>>>>> How about his original BASIC interpreter?  (He wasn't too happy
>>>>> about that, though.)
>>>> 
>>>> I don't understand what they copied.  His code?  The notion of writing a 
>>>> Dartmouth Basic interpreter for a computer?
>>> 
>>> The way it was implemented using tokens.
>> ANd yet, those articles about creating a miniBASIC in Dr. Dobbs (or was it 
>> in Creative Computer Company newsletter?) talked about two layers, the 
>> BASIC interpreter and a layer below to interpret that (kind of like Pcode 
>> in UCLA Pascal).  That's a sort of tokenization, I think, though I'm not 
>> digging up the articles to check.
>> 
>
> The "tokenization" in BASIC was the idea of using a single byte to represent 
> each BASIC key word.  ASCII uses the values 0 through 127 (a seven bit code). 
> The values 128 through 256 could be used to represent BASIC keywords.  The 
> BASIC interpreter would only need to recognize the *one* byte code during 
> execution of the program.  When the program was listed, the "tokens" were 
> converted back to the proper keywords.  BASIC programs could be saved as 
> tokenized or "ASCII" keywords.
>
> The "Tiny BASIC" talked about in Dr. Dobbs did have a sort of "P-code".  The 
> interpreter was written as a series of subroutine calls to the second level 
> that actually did the work.  It was slower but was supposed to make the 
> interpreter smaller.... although I have seen Tiny BASICs written without two 
> levels, and still occupy only 2k of memory.  One such Tiny BASIC was written 
> at Tokyo Denki University and the listing appears in the back of the 
> Proceedings of the Third West Coast Computer Faire.
>
I thought Dr. Dobbs wanted that "pcode" sort of thing for faster 
implementation.  Write the outer interpreter, and it remained for the 
others to write the inner interpreter for different CPUs and/or hardware
I think initially it was seen to be a faster way of getting BASIC up and 
running on the various home computers, that were already quite a variety 
when the project started.

But yes, I think in the end, most implementations were done as 
interpreters running directly on the CPU.  Certainly the later ones, as it 
migrated to things like the 6809, were just in assembling language.

   Michael

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                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-26 07:36 +1000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-25 17:10 -0500
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-26 07:42 -0700
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> - 2015-08-26 18:58 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-26 23:40 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-27 01:13 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-08-26 21:55 -0500
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-27 06:53 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-08-27 11:11 +0100
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-27 11:37 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-08-27 08:54 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-26 19:23 -0700
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-27 13:40 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-27 14:19 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-08-27 12:11 -0700
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-27 19:20 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-28 13:31 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-26 07:16 -0700
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-26 16:08 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-26 11:32 -0700
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-08-26 14:59 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-26 15:20 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-26 19:12 -0700
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 13:41 +1000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-08-27 07:06 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-08-27 11:20 +0100
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-27 11:32 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-27 11:37 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-27 09:42 -0700
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-08-27 13:54 -0500
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Trog Woolley <trog@email.fake> - 2015-08-29 17:13 -0500
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-28 05:42 +1000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-28 02:10 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 08:06 -0500
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-27 14:38 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-08-26 13:33 -0500
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-26 15:26 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-08-27 11:23 +0100
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-27 11:30 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-08-27 14:35 +0200
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-08-27 14:17 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-27 10:33 -0700
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-27 11:36 -0700
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-27 11:37 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Robert Swindells <rjs@fdy2.co.uk> - 2015-08-27 12:27 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-08-27 16:46 +0100
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Joe Makowiec <makowiec@invalid.invalid> - 2015-08-27 16:10 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-27 17:49 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-27 13:40 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-27 10:17 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-27 14:21 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-27 14:23 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-27 15:39 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-27 09:53 -0700
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-28 05:51 +1000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-28 13:31 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-28 07:54 -0700
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-28 19:16 +0100
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-28 12:22 -0700
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-28 19:48 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-29 13:41 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2015-08-29 17:50 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-08-30 06:56 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-30 14:58 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-31 06:35 +1000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-29 06:10 +1000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-28 19:31 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 05:57 +1000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-29 13:41 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-08-29 08:59 -0500
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-30 05:35 +1000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-30 14:58 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-30 16:02 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-31 12:09 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-31 14:48 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-31 10:03 -0700
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-31 10:07 -0700
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-31 17:30 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-31 11:26 -0700
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-31 18:53 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-31 20:11 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-31 14:22 -0700
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-31 18:53 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-31 12:21 -0700
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Gerard Schildberger <gerard46@rrt.net> - 2015-08-31 16:20 -0700
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-09-01 12:50 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 05:19 +1000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-01 04:59 +1000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Gerard Schildberger <gerard46@rrt.net> - 2015-08-30 10:41 -0700
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-31 06:38 +1000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-29 04:54 +1000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-29 13:41 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-30 06:11 +1000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-28 05:19 +1000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-28 13:31 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-29 04:43 +1000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-27 09:39 -0700
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-08-27 18:09 +0100
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-27 13:51 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-08-28 08:40 +0100
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> - 2015-08-29 14:54 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-29 20:12 +0100
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> - 2015-08-29 15:21 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-29 19:30 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-29 22:10 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-30 05:22 +0100
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-08-30 06:51 +0100
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-30 14:58 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-30 16:02 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-30 14:06 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-31 06:43 +1000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-09-02 15:03 -0500
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-30 16:42 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-09-02 14:56 -0500
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 17:25 -0500
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-31 13:48 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-31 13:51 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-31 18:17 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-31 16:04 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-08-31 19:12 +0100
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-08-31 13:42 -0500
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-31 18:53 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-31 19:10 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-31 20:09 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-31 21:00 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-31 12:15 -0700
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-31 20:31 +0100
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-31 19:41 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-08-31 22:04 -0500
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-01 18:46 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-09-01 15:38 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-02 08:13 -0700
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-02 08:10 -0700
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-02 08:05 -0700
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-26 21:21 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-27 05:42 +1000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-08-27 08:59 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-27 10:02 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-25 16:49 -0500
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-26 02:15 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-27 15:35 -0500
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-24 23:09 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-25 09:43 +1000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-25 06:55 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-25 17:19 +1000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-25 09:10 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-25 19:23 +1000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-25 11:26 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-26 04:43 +1000
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-08-24 15:01 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-24 16:22 -0500
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2015-08-25 15:39 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-25 17:18 -0500
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2015-08-31 20:38 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-25 08:35 +1000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2015-08-25 15:37 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-25 16:27 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-26 07:36 -0700
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-25 17:32 -0500
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-24 16:52 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-25 10:16 -0700
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-26 04:03 +0000
            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-24 12:22 -0700
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-25 08:41 +1000
        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-23 18:47 +0000
          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-08-23 15:16 -0400
            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-08-23 17:18 -0400
            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-23 21:20 +0000
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-08-23 17:31 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-08-24 09:55 +0200
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Santo Brown" <sb8743@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 07:53 +1000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-24 09:18 +0000
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-24 01:17 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-08-24 10:28 +0200
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-24 12:40 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-24 13:18 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-25 04:34 +1000
            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-08-23 22:39 +0100
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-24 09:16 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2015-08-24 10:34 +0100
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-08-24 10:58 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Stephen Wolstenholme <steve@easynn.com> - 2015-08-24 13:04 +0100
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-08-24 14:09 +0100
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-08-24 14:52 +0100
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-08-24 16:41 +0100
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-08-24 19:29 +0100
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities     wje@acm.org (Bill Evans) - 2015-08-24 15:32 -0700
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2015-08-25 07:16 +0100
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-08-24 07:29 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-24 13:20 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-08-24 12:10 -0400
            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-24 00:06 +0100
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Santo Brown" <sb8743@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 13:02 +1000
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-08-23 23:35 -0400
          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Bill Cunningham" <nospan@nspam.invalid> - 2015-08-23 15:27 -0400
            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-24 01:17 +0000
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Santo Brown" <sb8743@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 13:10 +1000
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-24 16:28 -0500
            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-24 16:27 -0500
          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Santo Brown" <sb8743@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 05:48 +1000
            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-23 21:32 +0000
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Santo Brown" <sb8743@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 07:57 +1000
          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-24 00:00 +0100
        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-23 21:18 +0000
    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-23 11:31 -0700
      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-23 12:08 -0700
      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-24 08:22 -0700
  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2015-08-24 19:29 +0000
    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Bill Cunningham" <nospan@nspam.invalid> - 2015-08-24 18:37 -0400
      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Bill Cunningham" <nospan@nspam.invalid> - 2015-08-24 18:38 -0400
        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities     wje@acm.org (Bill Evans) - 2015-08-24 15:54 -0700
          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-25 10:21 -0700
            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-26 04:55 +1000
      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Bill Cunningham" <nospan@nspam.invalid> - 2015-08-24 18:41 -0400
    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-25 08:47 +1000
    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-24 16:25 -0700
  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities fmassei@gmail.com - 2015-08-24 14:05 -0700

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