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Re: [Poll] Computing favorities

From "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Newsgroups alt.folklore.computers
Subject Re: [Poll] Computing favorities
Date 2015-08-30 06:11 +1000
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"jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message 
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> hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>> On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 9:32:24 AM UTC-4, jmfbahciv wrote:
>>> You are talking about IBM machines.  I was talking about DEC machines.
>>
>> Did DEC support time-shared interactive FORTRAN, accessed via a Teletype?
> If so, was it commonly used?
>
> Yes and very commonly used.
>>
>> For DEC users who had a high volume of input, perhaps lab observations, 
>> did
> they still use a Teletype to enter them?

> It depended on the project.  Physics tended to need real time
> capture so a machine would be used to get it and store it.

Yes, that is certainly how radio astronomy and nuclear physics etc was done.

> The PDP-10 did have a real time clock but most customers would use a PDP-8
> or PDP-11 to capture the data and used the PDP-10 for the downstream 
> processing.

Our radio astronomers used a PDP-9 at Parkes and a PDP-15 back in Sydney.
None of ours used a PDP-10 for the downstream processing.

The nuclear physics operation at the ANU in Canberra in fact
used the obsoleted IBM 1620 for direct data capture and
used the new IBM 360/50 for the downstream processing,
using punched cards to move the data from one to the other.

> Abott Labs used the PDP-10 to capture data adn then process it.

>> A Teletype is great for small volumes of data since it is easy to learn 
>> and
>> use.  However, for high volumes of data it is quite cumbersome, as it
>> does not have the keying aides that a real keypunch machine has.

> You have forgotten about papertape.

No he hasn’t. That was much more awkward to use than punched cards
for data input.

> Also we had DECtapes which were the best
> peripheral media the computing biz ever had.

That best claim is bullshit too.

>> While 1960s BASIC accepted numbers of varying length separated by a 
>> comma,
>> I think FORTRAN _of that era_ required fixed length fields, as defined by 
>> a
>> FORMAT statement.  That meant a Teletype user had to carefully zero fill 
>> all
>> numbers and manually space to the proper column, while a keypunch 
>> operator hit
>> skip or the machine did so automatically via drum card.  The keypunch 
>> keyboard
>> was faster to type on by an experienced operator than a Teletype 
>> keyboard.

> One did not have to zero-fill for numeric data....not even on an IBM 1620.

True.

>> AS for entering data, it was extremely simple to write a program to 
>> accept
>> datum items and store them the way the downstream processing program
>> wanted them.  You could even write TECO macros to do that.

> Cutting a papertape was a lot easier on a PDP-10 because
> you could edit the disk file with TECO and proof it.

But data entry for downstream data processing was not done like that.

> Using disk files instead card decks was a big improvement over IBM's
> requirements for card I/O.  Even the BASICs added keywords to save
> the just-typed program as ASCII or the executable (back then they
> were *.SAV files.

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                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-31 20:31 +0100
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-31 19:41 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-08-31 22:04 -0500
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-01 18:46 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-09-01 15:38 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-02 08:13 -0700
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-09-03 00:17 +0200
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-02 08:10 -0700
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-02 08:05 -0700
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-26 21:21 +0000
            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-27 05:42 +1000
          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-08-27 08:59 -0400
            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-27 10:02 -0400
      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-25 16:49 -0500
        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-26 02:15 -0400
          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-27 15:35 -0500
    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-24 23:09 +0000
      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-25 09:43 +1000
        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-25 06:55 +0000
          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-25 17:19 +1000
            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-25 09:10 +0000
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-25 19:23 +1000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-25 11:26 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-26 04:43 +1000
  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-08-24 15:01 -0400
    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-24 16:22 -0500
      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2015-08-25 15:39 -0400
        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-25 17:18 -0500
          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2015-08-31 20:38 -0400
    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-25 08:35 +1000
    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2015-08-25 15:37 -0400
      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-25 16:27 -0400
        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-26 07:36 -0700
      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-25 17:32 -0500
  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-24 16:52 -0400
    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-25 10:16 -0700
  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-26 04:03 +0000

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