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Re: conformation/validation? absolutely! :)

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On Fri, 17 Aug 2018 00:10:51 +0100, Jeremy H. Denisovan  
<david.j.worrell@gmail.com> wrote:


>> ### - smile, am just saying i just haven't met (nor spoken to) 'anyone'
>> (other than you) claiming 'full' lucidity in dilds as being common is  
>> all
>
> Grin, I told you long ago that I did know several other people
> among Castaneda's students - and personally knew two people well -
> one male and one female - who were expert at both WILD and DILD.
> Neither person regarded either method as being "better" (although it's
> great to be good at both methods if you're into LD). Neither person
> ever made a big 'issue' out of WILD vs. DILD at all.

### - such 'lack' of discernment is/was 'their' problem innit, and yours  
too apparently heh...

missed the boat much? (grinz...)




> Indeed, YOU are the first person I ever encountered who made a
> huge issue out of it, and to this day I think that's stupid. :)

### - 'anything' you don't understand always seems stupid to you, which  
imho precisely defines what 'stupid' actually is lol + all depends on what  
you 'want' to understand! - like once you wanted to 'understand' the Cos  
and wouldn't hear anything said against them, then castaneda, now all THIS  
crap instead?? and that's precisely what you don't understand! mostly coz  
you don't wanna and because you're incapable of being more objectively  
detached and as such incapable of evaluating anything properly; you're all  
'opinion' and no evidence that isn't... secondhand :)

either put-up or shut up?




> Castaneda himself didn't do that either. He was always more like...
> well, how a person does dreaming is personal to them.

### - yeah... and then everything cc said/suggested turned out to be shite  
right? lol

so you really shouldn't listen to him about anything right?? and were  
actually very angry about how 'wrong' he was and now you're quoting from  
him like that qualifies what *you're* saying??

and you don't see any problem with that! LOL! :)))




> You act like you think you're the only one who ever does it.
> Wesselman was doing it back in the 90s. Castaneda gave us a few
> methods for WILD too back then. They didn't work for me,
> personally, but... he did give us a few.

### - laberge basically 'discovered' the whole thing (initially mapped it  
anyway) and yet 'still' totally underestimated their actual value?! yes  
many mistakes have been made! and not actually realising just what WILDs  
actually + really ARE + why they are etc etc, was definitely one of the  
biggest blunders/fumbles ever i reckon! - lol talk about dropping the  
ball?? - still, 'someone' had to be the champion of dilds innit i suppose  
heh, and he (laberge) did a fairly good job too! only now it's roll-over  
beethoven time 'coz the 'other' exact side of the coin has arrived and  
wont be denied examination any longer hah! (and that's cool because it  
clarifies things + adds a whole new part to it; the missing part!)




>> whereas most people usually remark just how clear & vivid everything is
>> when experiencing a WILD for the first t ime 'compared' to a dild, which
>> then equals only 'you' versus quite a few peeps by now mentioning an
>> unexpected lucidity when WILDing (is often seen/remarked-on too when  
>> peeps
>> use wbtb to lucid dream and unwittingly WILD but think it's a dild...)
>
> That's almost a non-sequitur. They're probably just unsure whether
> they went back to sleep or not. And it probably doesn't even matter,
> since if they manage to enter LD soon after going to back sleep then
> they're still in the early non-REM stages of sleep (I've done that
> many times).

### - give it up jeremy, you really DON'T know wtf you're talking about  
and literally now making it up as you go along lol...

you've done nada mate! not enough anyway, and ALL of it almost completely  
unconscious dildo-ing at best thus useless! unless ya wanna be a cc-nut  
that is, you'd easily qualify for that lol, opp's sorry, you did already  
hahaha :)))




> I have concluded, after reexamining my own experiences
> over the years that there probably is a big difference in the
> 'stability' of dreaming scenes depending on whether you go lucid in
> non-REM or in REM.  And THAT is almost certainly why you believe
> there's such a big difference between DILD and WILD. It's really the
> big difference non-REM and REM. WILD happens right on the edge of
> nREM-1, so the dream scenes are more 'stable'.

### - all sounds great 'in theory' jeremy, but that's ALL you gots! just  
more armchair theory to justify other armchair theory! it's rem and it's  
not rem and all that bollocks?? lol, you're like a scientist pontificating  
on Picasso or van gogh lol; it's all numbers and no content, experience  
nor style! splashed across a grid that's labeled perspective hah; it's all  
crap! and conceptual/contextual crap at that! it's all lies & distortion!

you can't do, you can only theorise :)




>
> And I get that, but I learned to maintain lucidity in both states.
> Because I worked hard to do it. The REM state is weirder and less
> stable (also often much more interesting), but if you're determined
> to stay lucid, you totally can in either state. There may even be
> subtle differences between NREM1 and NREM2 LD. But I learned using
> methods that forced me to hyper-monitor the state of my awareness
> and also made me tremendously determined, so I learned that it
> doesn't matter how 'stable' dream scenes are or what they morph
> into, you can still maintain lucidity if you work hard at it.

### - you don't seem to know anything except an endless bunch of  
rationalisations designed solely to make you feel like you're still in  
some kinda control 30 years later heh... only you ain't ya know, anything  
but actually, you're still the passive victim complaining about everything  
because you can't... act!

and so now, from a handful of (maybe) remembered experiences from over 30  
years ago heh, suddenly you're an expert on WILDs too?? lol it's just too  
funny hahaha... of course you are! how could you not be! heh... listen,  
makes no difference whatsoever to moi old chap, you can stay down there  
forever if ya like and remain there for all i (or anyone) really cares...

the world is simply leaving you... behind :)



>> >> added to which dilds can't be turned on/off like WILDs can, dilds  
>> are a
>> >> completely random affair...
>> >>
>> >> so in truth you're merely trolling :)
>> >
>> > Apparently, you don't know what the word trolling means.
>> > I made a clear, meaningful statement on dreaming in general.
>> > In no valid sense of the word was it trolling.
>>
>> ### - heh i meant trolling in the sense of you deliberately making
>> negative-type comments in an otherwise fairly positive thread in order  
>> to
>> merely mar the tone of the thing and to perhaps pull it off into an
>> argument (the uglier the better from your pov), something you've always
>> personally done but also loudly bellyache about like there's no tomorrow
>> whenever someone does it to you? (+ that's also how i know you know  
>> you're
>> doing it quite deliberately too... you're trolling!) :)
>
> I'm just trying to present a more well-rounded view of dreaming.
> And maybe get you to be more objective about your obsession.

### - a well round pov based on 'theory alone' just doesn't cut it jeremy  
+ you're too funny for words as the 'king' of obsession lecturing 'others'  
on the doubtful nature of obsession LOL...

that's hilarious! :)))


(just gonna snip the rest of your insane 'cc was correct' rant lol :)))

did gimmie a good laff tho hehehe :D funny

i mean, actually throwing cc at me of 'all' things lol, and this after you  
going around for the last 20 years preaching anti-cc dogma only to end up  
quoting him as 'you're' now ultimate authority on dreaming???

it's a riot :)))))

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