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### - seems to have hit a home run with this dude who's already heavily  
involved with lucid dreaming all his life, plus although imho he's  
embellishing on it a bit too much with things like dream journals helping  
etc + a couple of other unnecessary bits, he's apparently well impressed  
with the method of actually entering a WILD via hypnagogia merely by  
examining them in detail...

his quote (below) of: "I may have stumbled on this next part of Brian's  
technique once or twice but i have NEVER seen this anywhere else and it's  
been a key to more frequent success." - is actually very gratifying that  
others are beginning to incorporate this something 'new' into their  
teaching methods...

cool :)


	
Don Salmon 17 August
Hi Folks:

I just posted this at Alan Wallace's FB group. Alan has written a  
wonderful book on Dream Yoga, "Dreaming Yourself Awake."

Someone asked about lucid dream practice, and I wrote this - if I forgot,  
will someone remind me in a few weeks about my promise to post some music  
to help with lucid dreaming?

**********************

Take a look at Brian Aherne's recent book on "WILD" (waking induced lucid  
dreams")

METHOD:

1. Deep relaxation (use Ujayi, any form of brief breath holding, or spinal  
breathing with Ujayi and possibly mantra if that helps - these breathing  
exercises are my own addition - I find using drone music of some kind is  
almost essential for success in WILD)

2. Observe spontaneously arising hypnagogic images. DON'T STRAIN!! With as  
little effort as possible. if you aren't aware of anything, you can try  
listening effortless for sounds and noticing abstract light phenomena, or  
"pretend" (as effortlessly as possible) to "visualize" (just take some  
place, like your home or neighborhood, that you're very familiar with and  
take an imaginary walk, around there, you'll soon realize you are  
visualizing then let go and see what arises)

3. This is the crucial part. I've been reading material on lucid dreams  
for almost 50 years, have had lucid dreams since a little child and did my  
masters research on lucid dreams, teaching 12 people to successfully have  
them from 1 to 4 times a week, with 6 learning WILD as well. I may have  
stumbled on this next part of Brian's technique once or twice but i have  
NEVER seen this anywhere else and it's been a key to more frequent  
success. Once you have succeeded in calmly, in a relaxed state, almost  
effortlessly (this relaxed effortlessness is crucial) observed  
spontaneously arising images, focus in on one of them. If you know  
Culadasa's distinction between selective attention and peripheral  
awareness, or even better, Les Fehmi's "immersed" vs "Detached" attention,  
what you're doing now is highly focused, but immersed rather than detached  
(this is very much like Csikszentmihalyi's "flow state" as well).

What Brian describes, and what I've found - to my amazement - is that it  
seems like this focusing in on the details of one particular image, if you  
can sustain it (you keep focusing on all the details with increasing  
interest if you can - that's what makes it "immersed" attention) you start  
to feel like you are "pulled" INTO the scene. If you can sustain awareness  
(Culadasa's peripheral awareness, balanced with narrow, selective  
attention- balancing left mode and right mode, as Iain McGilchrist would  
put it) you'll find yourself "In" the dream.

Brian suggests, and I pretty much agree, that you should try this at least  
a few weeks to see if it works for you. All the other things about lucid  
dreaming can be helpful - keeping a dream journal to make your non lucid  
dreams more vivid, doing "reality checks" (which are described VERY well  
in Alan's "Dreaming Yourself Awake"), MILD (see LaBerge) etc.

I'd love to hear how this works if anybody wants to try it for a few  
weeks. I'm planning to put up some "drone" music that I find helpful, and  
you're welcome to use it for free. I'm also very interested in finding how  
people use music and if it helps.

If you do use your own music, you might try bringing your attention,  
during the relaxation phase, into different parts of the body, and  
"feeling" the music vibrating and filling the whole area, until it fills  
the whole body and spreads beyond. This "vibrating" sensation will be VERY  
helpful for the next phase.

Also, if you're having trouble visualizing, you might look up Helen  
Bonny's "Guided Imagery and Music," for help in seeing how music can  
dramatically facilitate the awareness of hynagogic imagery.

Good luck and sweet dreams!!

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