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Re: conformation/validation? absolutely! :)

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On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 1:11:57 PM UTC-7, slider wrote:
> > To me, it just sounds like he's not very good at it,
> > either WILD or DILD. There are several indications throughout
> > his account that he's not really going or staying fully lucid,
> > not even in WILD. And this dreaming certainly wasn't very 'stable'.
> > His WILD was as wild as any DILD. :)
> 
> ### - he's just an average, plus apparently fairly good, dildo-er of old  
> by all accounts... and accordingly auto-transfers his more usual  
> expectations (from dilding) to WILDing thus this initial melange, but  
> would expect that to improve due to the increased directness & simplicity  
> of going WILD...
> 
> dild-o's apparently having to first correct/get-over their already fairly  
> ingrained ways of rather clumsily handling dreaming from that perspective  
> alone, most of which never reaches (or reached) full lucidity anyway  
> (dildo-rehab required? heh...) - comments like 'never before' tending to  
> suggest a marked + strikingly noticeable difference in perception on his  
> part compared to what he's used to; was all i was commenting on... and  
> because i think i know, from experience, precisely what that is & why...
> 
> and imho is just a shame you don't have any of your own 'actual' + more  
> 'recent' experiences to refer to in all this, instead of being reduced to  
> eternally playing this intellectual guessing-game of what you 'think' it  
> all 'sounds' like to you etc etc? and all of it questionably negative  
> hehehe...
> 
> iow: you really can't 'do' this stuff from one's armchair, like you're  
> doing, and then honestly profess to know enough to critique it; dilds  
> maybe yes but WILDs no? and because the 'proof of the pudding' and all  
> that heh, 'is' in the actual eating thereof...

Well, I know very well that lucid dreaming can seem as 'stable' and
real-seeming as the daily world. I've experienced that many times.
That dude seemed shocked by it, as if it was unusual for him.

You just do not accept my 'way' of dreaming (which includes not being
fixated on any particular type). But if one is going to do LD then
the key is to stay FULLY LUCID. That last guy really didn't, although
he may have entered via WILD. However, I'm really not obsessed with
lucidity at all. I've expressed many times now my view that ordinary
unconscious dreaming can be just as meaningful and sometimes even more
informative and creative than any lucid experiences.

To quote a post I made in the thread 'Scientific Studies Of Sleep'
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.dreams.castaneda/U0FnPH0J4O4/3b8j8wR4AwAJ

"Some sleep theorists postulate that REM sleep is when we are our
most intelligent, insightful, creative, and free. It’s when we truly
come alive."

Let's just say that I totally understand why they suspect that.
I also think I understand why you might completely ignore it. :)
But the *unconscious* aspects of ourselves give rise to much of it.

I don't seem to be able to adequately convey to you my view that the
conscious aspects of ourselves are not necessarily 'superior' to
the unconscious aspects, and that I simply do not focus to exclusion
on one or the other. I am both.

Nothing that you or anyone else has ever reported, nor anything
in my own decades of dreaming has led me to believe that LD
(DILD or WILD) is more creative, interesting, or meaningful
than our ordinary REM dreaming state can be (at least, for me).

I would even say that going lucid while in the REM state, as
fascinating as it can be, can sometimes be more 'disruptive'
than it is illuminating. In other words, sometimes the ordinary
dream is more interesting than going lucid is, and going lucid
almost spoils it since then you don't get to fully 'play it out'
as if 'emotionally real'. (I have more to say on that topic.)

You seem to conveniently forget that recently you and I both
successfully completed an objective LD experiment (the one with
the mirror). We're the only two people here who completed that.
To complete an LD experiment like that *requires full lucidity*.
It wasn't all that long ago. And I've had 3 or 4 LD experiences
in the last couple of months, in spite of not really focusing
on it anymore.

But really man, I don't care what you think of my dreaming.
You may need to just accept that we simply have different ways.
(And you don't seem to be able to do that.)

.

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