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Re: Don't disable recoomends by default

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Quoting Urs Thuermann (2019-08-05 17:50:17)
> Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> writes:
> 
> > Quoting Stephan Seitz (2019-07-12 09:30:38)
> > > On Fr, Jul 12, 2019 at 09:13:29 -0300, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > > >Wrong.  Suggests are for packages useful only "sometimes", 
> > > >recommends are for pacakges needed in "all but unusual 
> > > >installations."
> > > 
> > > From my experience this is wrong.
> > > 
> > > With recommends my d10 update would have systemd as init instead 
> > > of sysvinit. And I would have got (for example) the package 
> > > debsecan which I don’t need.
> > > 
> > > So it is better to disable recommends and look at the recommended 
> > > packages.
> > 
> > There is nothing wrong in suppressing specific recommendations where 
> > you understand the implications.
> > 
> > What is wrong is to suppress all recommendations by default.

[ antipattern snipped ]

> OTOH, IMHO many packages have recommendations I don't like, especially 
> if "Recommends:" means it is recommended except in unusual 
> installations.

Please file bugreports!

Recommends are defined in Debian as being needed for all but exotic 
cases - so when that is not the case recommends is used wrongly.


 - Jonas

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useless languages Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com> - 2019-07-12 13:10 +0200
  Re: useless languages Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-07-12 13:10 +0200
    Re: useless languages Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-07-12 13:40 +0200
      Re: useless languages Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-07-12 14:10 +0200
        Don't disable recoomends by default Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-07-12 14:20 +0200
          Re: Don't disable recoomends by default Stephan Seitz <stse+debian@fsing.rootsland.net> - 2019-07-12 14:40 +0200
            Re: Don't disable recoomends by default Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-07-12 17:20 +0200
              Re: Don't disable recoomends by default Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2019-07-12 17:30 +0200
                Re: Don't disable recoomends by default Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-07-12 19:00 +0200
              Re: Don't disable recoomends by default Urs Thuermann <urs@isnogud.escape.de> - 2019-08-05 23:10 +0200
                Re: Don't disable recoomends by default Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-08-05 23:50 +0200
                Re: Don't disable recoomends by default Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2019-08-06 07:50 +0200
                Re: Don't disable recoomends by default Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-08-06 12:10 +0200
                Re: Don't disable recoomends by default <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-08-06 09:40 +0200
                Re: Don't disable recoomends by default Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-08-06 20:50 +0200
                Re: Don't disable recoomends by default <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-08-07 09:20 +0200
                Re: Don't disable recoomends by default Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-08-06 13:20 +0200
                Re: Don't disable recoomends by default Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-08-06 15:00 +0200
                Re: Don't disable recoomends by default Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-08-06 20:00 +0200
                Re: Don't disable recoomends by default Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-08-06 21:50 +0200
          Re: Don't disable recoomends by default Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-07-12 14:40 +0200
            Re: Don't disable recoomends by default Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-07-12 17:30 +0200
              Re: Don't disable recoomends by default Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-07-12 19:20 +0200
              Re: Don't disable recoomends by default Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-07-12 19:30 +0200
                Re: Don't disable recoomends by default Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-07-12 20:00 +0200
                Re: Don't disable recoomends by default Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2019-07-12 23:20 +0200
                Re: Don't disable recoomends by default Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-07-12 23:40 +0200
                Re: Don't disable recoomends by default John Crawley <john@bunsenlabs.org> - 2019-07-13 04:00 +0200
                Re: Don't disable recoomends by default Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-07-13 04:30 +0200
                Re: Don't disable recoomends by default Urs Thuermann <urs@isnogud.escape.de> - 2019-08-05 23:10 +0200
                Re: Don't disable recoomends by default Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2019-08-05 23:30 +0200
                Re: Don't disable recoomends by default Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-07-12 23:50 +0200
                Re: Don't disable recoomends by default Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2019-07-13 06:50 +0200
                Re: Don't disable recoomends by default Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-07-13 10:40 +0200
                Re: Don't disable recoomends by default Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-07-13 14:00 +0200
                Re: Don't disable recoomends by default mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2019-08-06 09:40 +0200
  Re: useless languages David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2019-07-13 04:30 +0200
    Re: useless languages Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com> - 2019-07-13 09:30 +0200
    Re: useless languages Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2019-07-13 16:30 +0200
  Re: useless localisation files Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2019-07-13 06:40 +0200

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