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Re: Can't scan new disk

From	Celejar <celejar@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.user
Subject	Re: Can't scan new disk
Date	2019-02-20 14:20 +0100
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On Tue, 19 Feb 2019 21:27:39 -0800
David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> wrote:

> On 2/19/19 7:21 PM, Celejar wrote:
> > On Tue, 19 Feb 2019 18:48:23 -0800
> > David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> wrote:
> >> AFAIK there are no commercial off the shelf (COTS) USB-SATA docks with
> >> FOSS hardware (device), firmware (device), or software (device or host).
> >>    (If somebody knows of any examples, please post the URL's.)
> > 
> > I'm still not sure what you're saying - there certainly are COTS
> > devices fully supported by FOSS software. E.g., I have a Syba
> > SY-ENC50091:
> > 
> > https://www.sybausa.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=885
> > 
> > It works fine under Debian without needing any non-free stuff, as far
> > as I recall.
> 
> The Syba USB-SATA dock works with Debian because the HDD manufacturer, 
> Syba, the USB cable manufacturer, the computer manufacturer, and Debian 
> have implemented everything needed for an end-to-end connection from the 
> HDD firmware kernel to the Debian Linux kernel.  Standards facilitated 
> that result.

Exactly. So what do you mean when you say that "there are no commercial
off the shelf (COTS) USB-SATA docks with FOSS hardware (device),
firmware (device), or software (device or host)"?

> > If you're objecting to the hardware not being FOSS, my understanding
> > is that most useful hardware isn't. Is the SATA hardware itself FOSS?
> 
> I agree that, historically, hardware has often been closed-source.  But, 
> similar to software, there are open-source hardware projects:
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source_hardware

Of course. But unlike with software, they are relatively few and minor,
and a normal user can't hope to go FOSS hardware as he can with software

Celejar

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Can't scan new disk Mark Allums <mark@allums.email> - 2019-02-16 00:30 +0100
  Re: Can't scan new disk deb <deb@rangingthoughts.org> - 2019-02-16 01:10 +0100
    Re: Can't scan new disk Mark Allums <mark@allums.email> - 2019-02-16 02:50 +0100
  Re: Can't scan new disk songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2019-02-16 01:30 +0100
    Re: Can't scan new disk Mark Allums <mark@allums.email> - 2019-02-16 02:50 +0100
  Re: Can't scan new disk David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2019-02-16 04:20 +0100
    Re: Can't scan new disk Mark Allums <mark@allums.email> - 2019-02-16 21:40 +0100
      Re: Can't scan new disk David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2019-02-16 23:20 +0100
        Re: Can't scan new disk Mark Allums <mark@allums.email> - 2019-02-18 04:20 +0100
          Re: Can't scan new disk David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2019-02-19 00:40 +0100
        Re: Can't scan new disk Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2019-02-19 19:00 +0100
          Re: Can't scan new disk David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2019-02-20 03:50 +0100
            Re: Can't scan new disk Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2019-02-20 04:30 +0100
              Re: Can't scan new disk David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2019-02-20 06:30 +0100
                Re: Can't scan new disk Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2019-02-20 14:20 +0100
  Re: Can't scan new disk Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-02-16 09:50 +0100
    Re: Can't scan new disk Mark Allums <mark@allums.email> - 2019-02-16 21:30 +0100
      Re: Can't scan new disk "Alexander V. Makartsev" <avbetev@gmail.com> - 2019-02-18 06:10 +0100
        Re: Can't scan new disk Mark Allums <mark@allums.email> - 2019-02-20 07:20 +0100
          Re: Can't scan new disk Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-02-20 10:30 +0100
            Re: Can't scan new disk Mark Allums <mark@allums.email> - 2019-02-20 10:30 +0100
              Re: Can't scan new disk Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-02-20 11:30 +0100
          Re: Can't scan new disk "Alexander V. Makartsev" <avbetev@gmail.com> - 2019-02-20 10:30 +0100
            Re: Can't scan new disk Mark Allums <mark@allums.email> - 2019-02-20 10:50 +0100
              Re: Can't scan new disk "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2019-02-20 11:30 +0100
            Re: Can't scan new disk Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-02-20 13:20 +0100
            Re: Can't scan new disk Mark Allums <mark@allums.email> - 2019-02-24 15:50 +0100
              Re: Can't scan new disk David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2019-02-24 21:30 +0100
                Re: Can't scan new disk David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-02-24 23:10 +0100
                Re: Can't scan new disk David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2019-02-25 01:10 +0100
                Re: Can't scan new disk Linux-Fan <Ma_Sys.ma@web.de> - 2019-02-25 12:40 +0100
                Re: Can't scan new disk Mark Allums <mark@allums.email> - 2019-02-25 15:20 +0100
                Re: Can't scan new disk Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-02-25 15:50 +0100
                Re: Can't scan new disk Mark Allums <mark@allums.email> - 2019-02-25 16:00 +0100
                Re: Can't scan new disk David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-02-25 16:30 +0100
                Re: Can't scan new disk <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-02-26 09:30 +0100
              Re: Can't scan new disk David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-02-24 23:10 +0100
              Re: Can't scan new disk "Alexander V. Makartsev" <avbetev@gmail.com> - 2019-02-25 20:20 +0100
          Re: Can't scan new disk Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> - 2019-02-20 18:40 +0100

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