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Re: text editors

From David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk>
Newsgroups linux.debian.user
Subject Re: text editors
Date 2019-03-28 17:20 +0100
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On Thu 28 Mar 2019 at 08:30:47 (+0000), Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> >>>>> "JH" == John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> writes:
> 
> JH> deloptes writes:
> >> learning emacs means learning lisp
> 
> JH> Not true.
> 
> In my experience is true. But needs some more words.
> 
> When you intensively start using Emacs, and you start asking to the
> editor "Oh, True One Editor, what is the meaning of this keystroke?"
> (😊) and see the answer, when you take a look to the .emacs of a more
> experienced user, you see, sooner or later you understand that there
> is a way to tell Emacs how "to do useful things"[*]. And since these
> things are useful to you, you learn to do them. Even if you do not
> know that what you are doing is "programming in LISP".
> 
> [*] I lost the source where I read that in an organization even
> secretaries used Emacs, and that these secretaries learnt how to do
> "useful things" without a problem. Mostly because they were unaware
> they were programming.

I would have thought that secretaries were more competent at
cut-and-paste than I am, and that is the way in which I have assembled
my ~250 line emacs startup file. That, and substituting one string
for another in these pasted sections and seeing if they still work.
I'm afraid I don't call that programming in *lisp or learning *lisp.

Some of the code dates back to lenny, and I have no idea whether it
ought still to be there, or whether it's having a desirable or
undesirable effect. I suspect it, and some other bits have atrophied.

When I read through it (like now), I find useful things that I'd
forgotten I had set up. OTOH I rely on much of it all the time.

If you call the programming/learning, then that's where our
disagreement lies, and not in emacs at all. You could equally
be talking about those incantations that I feed to ALSA.

Cheers,
David.

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text editors mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2019-03-25 05:40 +0100
  Re: text editors Cindy-Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2019-03-25 06:00 +0100
    Re: text editors Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> - 2019-03-25 06:10 +0100
  Re: text editors Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2019-03-25 06:40 +0100
    Re: text editors mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2019-03-25 09:00 +0100
      Re: text editors Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2019-03-25 11:20 +0100
        Re: text editors mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2019-03-25 11:40 +0100
  Re: text editors Dan Hitt <dan.hitt@gmail.com> - 2019-03-25 07:00 +0100
  Re: text editors john doe <johndoe65534@mail.com> - 2019-03-25 07:40 +0100
  Re: text editors <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-03-25 12:10 +0100
    Re: text editors rhkramer@gmail.com - 2019-03-25 12:50 +0100
      Re: text editors rhkramer@gmail.com - 2019-03-25 13:10 +0100
      Re: text editors Étienne Mollier <etienne.mollier@mailoo.org> - 2019-03-25 21:20 +0100
        Re: text editors deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-03-25 22:10 +0100
  Re: text editors Teemu Likonen <tlikonen@iki.fi> - 2019-03-25 13:30 +0100
    Re: text editors mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2019-03-26 08:40 +0100
      Re: text editors Teemu Likonen <tlikonen@iki.fi> - 2019-03-26 16:50 +0100
        Re: text editors John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2019-03-26 18:00 +0100
          Re: text editors Håkon Alstadheim <hakon@alstadheim.priv.no> - 2019-03-26 21:20 +0100
          Re: text editors Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2019-03-27 03:30 +0100
            Re: text editors rhkramer@gmail.com - 2019-03-27 13:10 +0100
              Re: text editors <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-03-27 14:30 +0100
                Re: text editors John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2019-03-27 15:10 +0100
                Re: text editors <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-03-27 15:40 +0100
                Re: text editors rlharris@oplink.net - 2019-03-27 17:30 +0100
                Re: text editors rlharris@oplink.net - 2019-03-28 18:40 +0100
                keyboard macros (was: Re: text editors) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2019-03-28 19:00 +0100
                Re: keyboard macros John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2019-03-28 19:30 +0100
                Re: keyboard macros Cindy-Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2019-03-28 20:00 +0100
                Re: keyboard macros rlharris@oplink.net - 2019-03-28 19:50 +0100
                Re: keyboard macros John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2019-03-28 20:10 +0100
                xfce launchers rlharris@oplink.net - 2019-04-03 18:40 +0200
                Re: xfce launchers Mike Kupfer <mkupfer@alum.berkeley.edu> - 2019-04-04 07:20 +0200
                Re: xfce launchers rlharris@oplink.net - 2019-04-04 07:40 +0200
                Re: text editors Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2019-03-29 06:20 +0100
                Re: text editors deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-03-28 03:40 +0100
                Re: text editors John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2019-03-28 03:50 +0100
                Re: text editors deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-03-28 08:00 +0100
                Re: text editors <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-03-28 09:20 +0100
                Re: text editors <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-03-28 10:40 +0100
                Re: text editors deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-03-28 21:10 +0100
                Emacs without knowing any Lisp (was: text editors) Ben Finney <bignose@debian.org> - 2019-03-29 02:50 +0100
                Re: Emacs without knowing any Lisp (was: text editors) Bill Wood <william.wood3@comcast.net> - 2019-03-29 06:50 +0100
                Re: text editors John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2019-03-28 14:10 +0100
                Re: text editors <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-03-28 14:50 +0100
                Re: text editors David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-03-28 14:30 +0100
                Re: text editors John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2019-03-28 15:20 +0100
                Re: text editors <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-03-28 15:30 +0100
                Re: text editors deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-03-28 21:30 +0100
                Re: text editors deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-03-29 00:40 +0100
                Re: text editors Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2019-03-29 06:30 +0100
                Re: text editors Teemu Likonen <tlikonen@iki.fi> - 2019-03-29 09:00 +0100
                Re: text editors Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2019-03-29 10:20 +0100
                Re: text editors Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2019-03-29 12:40 +0100
                Re: text editors Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2019-03-29 18:00 +0100
                Re: text editors deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-03-29 19:50 +0100
                Re: text editors John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2019-03-29 20:10 +0100
                Re: text editors deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-03-30 00:10 +0100
                Re: text editors Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-03-30 00:30 +0100
                Re: text editors John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2019-03-30 01:20 +0100
                Re: text editors deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-03-30 01:40 +0100
                Re: text editors David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-03-30 04:30 +0100
                Re: text editors deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-03-30 09:30 +0100
                What does all this mean? was Re: text editors David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-03-30 17:20 +0100
                Re: text editors Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2019-03-30 05:30 +0100
                Re: text editors Bob Bernstein <poobah@ruptured-duck.com> - 2019-03-30 02:20 +0100
                Re: text editors John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2019-03-30 02:30 +0100
                Re: text editors David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-03-30 01:50 +0100
                Re: text editors deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-04-01 12:10 +0200
                Re: text editors <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-04-01 12:10 +0200
                Re: text editors Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-04-01 12:50 +0200
                Re: text editors David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-04-01 16:40 +0200
                Re: text editors Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2019-04-01 16:00 +0200
                Re: text editors "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2019-04-01 16:30 +0200
                Re: text editors deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-04-01 16:50 +0200
                Re: text editors Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-04-01 17:40 +0200
                Re: text editors Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2019-04-01 18:20 +0200
                Re: text editors "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2019-04-01 19:50 +0200
                Re: text editors John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2019-04-01 18:40 +0200
                Re: text editors deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-04-01 16:50 +0200
                Re: text editors <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-04-01 17:10 +0200
                Re: text editors deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-03-29 11:00 +0100
                Re: text editors John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2019-03-29 13:00 +0100
                Re: text editors deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-03-28 21:20 +0100
                Re: text editors deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-03-29 10:50 +0100
                Re: text editors Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2019-03-29 11:50 +0100
                Re: text editors David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-03-28 17:20 +0100
                Re: text editors John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2019-03-28 17:50 +0100
                Re: text editors Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-03-28 18:20 +0100
                Re: text editors Dekks Herton <dekkzz78@gmail.com> - 2019-03-29 10:40 +0100
                Re: text editors David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-03-29 20:30 +0100
                Re: text editors Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> - 2019-03-30 03:20 +0100
                Re: text editors David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-04-01 18:40 +0200
                Re: text editors Dekks Herton <dekkzz78@gmail.com> - 2019-03-29 10:40 +0100
              Re: text editors Teemu Likonen <tlikonen@iki.fi> - 2019-03-27 20:40 +0100
              Re: text editors Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2019-03-28 01:30 +0100
          Re: text editors Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-03-27 12:10 +0100
            Re: text editors Teemu Likonen <tlikonen@iki.fi> - 2019-03-28 07:30 +0100
              Re: text editors <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-03-28 11:40 +0100
                Re: text editors "tomas@tuxteam.de" <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-03-28 12:30 +0100
                Re: text editors "tomas@tuxteam.de" <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-03-28 13:00 +0100
                Re: text editors Pierre Fourès <pierre.foures@gmail.com> - 2019-03-28 17:50 +0100
                Re: text editors deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-03-28 21:40 +0100
        Re: text editors mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2019-03-27 10:00 +0100
          Re: text editors Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-03-27 11:20 +0100
          Re: text editors Teemu Likonen <tlikonen@iki.fi> - 2019-03-27 16:50 +0100
    Understanding (some) Lisp (was: Re: text editors) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2019-03-28 17:10 +0100
      Re: Understanding (some) Lisp Teemu Likonen <tlikonen@iki.fi> - 2019-03-28 17:20 +0100
  Re: text editors Ben Finney <bignose@debian.org> - 2019-03-26 03:30 +0100
    Re: text editors Teemu Likonen <tlikonen@iki.fi> - 2019-03-26 06:30 +0100
  Re: text editors Tony Rowe <ay986@chebucto.ns.ca> - 2019-03-26 23:40 +0100
    Re: text editors Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2019-03-28 01:30 +0100
      Re: text editors John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2019-03-28 03:00 +0100
      Re: text editors <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-03-28 09:20 +0100
  Re: text editors mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2019-03-27 12:10 +0100
    Re: text editors Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2019-03-29 07:30 +0100
      Re: text editors Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2019-03-29 09:30 +0100
        Re: text editors mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2019-03-30 12:20 +0100

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