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| From | Bill Wood <william.wood3@comcast.net> |
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| Newsgroups | linux.debian.user |
| Subject | Re: Emacs without knowing any Lisp (was: text editors) |
| Date | 2019-03-29 06:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <xGSyS-77e-5@gated-at.bofh.it> (permalink) |
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On Fri, 2019-03-29 at 12:48 +1100, Ben Finney wrote: > deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> writes: > > > I've been there exactly 17y ago. I still have no idea where lisp is used > > except in Emacs and some exotic projects, so being pragmatic ... good for > > you who know emacs - for the rest good that you do not know emacs. > > I've been a happy and productive Emacs user for more than 17 years and > still don't edit any Lisp. It just isn't necessary to get things done. > > (I hear the Atom text editor is implemented in JavaScript; that doesn't > imply JavaScript knowledge is needed to use Atom.) > > With that knowledge, hopefully more people can explore using Emacs > <URL:https://tuhdo.github.io/emacs-tutor.html>. > FWIW I've been using emacs on mainframes, workstations, and PCs since about 1984. I've found the elisp programmatic interface useful since I first cobbled together a set of rectangle-oriented tools (since replaced by the rectangle commands provided by more recent versions of emacs; see section 9.5 of the emacs manual for emacs 24). I also use Common Lisp for most of my application programming, which involves either mathematical programming (bignums and big rationals are wonderful for some number theoretic computations) or interesting computational problems (suffix trees for classical cryptanalysis, exploring patterns in calendars, whatever catches my eye). I've recently been developing tools to assist extracting text from web sites and reformatting as page-oriented documents rather than unpaged HTML (personal preference; I'm an old fart who likes documents with real pages, footnotes, headers and footers, etc.) The elisp tools help me transform scraped text into LaTeX source files. I also put together some Python scripts for setting up and managing the directory structure for extracted texts. My first point is, having access to a full-blown programming language for doing task-specific work within an editor is *wonderful*; my second point is, the lisp family of languages are very useful and flexible tools for, among other things, exploratory programming. -- Bill Wood
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Re: text editors Cindy-Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2019-03-25 06:00 +0100
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Re: text editors mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2019-03-26 08:40 +0100
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Re: text editors John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2019-03-27 15:10 +0100
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keyboard macros (was: Re: text editors) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2019-03-28 19:00 +0100
Re: keyboard macros John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2019-03-28 19:30 +0100
Re: keyboard macros Cindy-Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2019-03-28 20:00 +0100
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Re: text editors John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2019-03-28 03:50 +0100
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Re: text editors deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-03-28 21:10 +0100
Emacs without knowing any Lisp (was: text editors) Ben Finney <bignose@debian.org> - 2019-03-29 02:50 +0100
Re: Emacs without knowing any Lisp (was: text editors) Bill Wood <william.wood3@comcast.net> - 2019-03-29 06:50 +0100
Re: text editors John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2019-03-28 14:10 +0100
Re: text editors <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-03-28 14:50 +0100
Re: text editors David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-03-28 14:30 +0100
Re: text editors John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2019-03-28 15:20 +0100
Re: text editors <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-03-28 15:30 +0100
Re: text editors deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-03-28 21:30 +0100
Re: text editors deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-03-29 00:40 +0100
Re: text editors Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2019-03-29 06:30 +0100
Re: text editors Teemu Likonen <tlikonen@iki.fi> - 2019-03-29 09:00 +0100
Re: text editors Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2019-03-29 10:20 +0100
Re: text editors Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2019-03-29 12:40 +0100
Re: text editors Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2019-03-29 18:00 +0100
Re: text editors deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-03-29 19:50 +0100
Re: text editors John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2019-03-29 20:10 +0100
Re: text editors deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-03-30 00:10 +0100
Re: text editors Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-03-30 00:30 +0100
Re: text editors John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2019-03-30 01:20 +0100
Re: text editors deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-03-30 01:40 +0100
Re: text editors David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-03-30 04:30 +0100
Re: text editors deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-03-30 09:30 +0100
What does all this mean? was Re: text editors David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-03-30 17:20 +0100
Re: text editors Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2019-03-30 05:30 +0100
Re: text editors Bob Bernstein <poobah@ruptured-duck.com> - 2019-03-30 02:20 +0100
Re: text editors John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2019-03-30 02:30 +0100
Re: text editors David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-03-30 01:50 +0100
Re: text editors deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-04-01 12:10 +0200
Re: text editors <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-04-01 12:10 +0200
Re: text editors Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-04-01 12:50 +0200
Re: text editors David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-04-01 16:40 +0200
Re: text editors Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2019-04-01 16:00 +0200
Re: text editors "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2019-04-01 16:30 +0200
Re: text editors deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-04-01 16:50 +0200
Re: text editors Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-04-01 17:40 +0200
Re: text editors Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2019-04-01 18:20 +0200
Re: text editors "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2019-04-01 19:50 +0200
Re: text editors John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2019-04-01 18:40 +0200
Re: text editors deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-04-01 16:50 +0200
Re: text editors <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-04-01 17:10 +0200
Re: text editors deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-03-29 11:00 +0100
Re: text editors John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2019-03-29 13:00 +0100
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Re: text editors Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2019-03-29 11:50 +0100
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Re: text editors John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2019-03-28 17:50 +0100
Re: text editors Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-03-28 18:20 +0100
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Re: text editors David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-04-01 18:40 +0200
Re: text editors Dekks Herton <dekkzz78@gmail.com> - 2019-03-29 10:40 +0100
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Re: text editors Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2019-03-28 01:30 +0100
Re: text editors Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-03-27 12:10 +0100
Re: text editors Teemu Likonen <tlikonen@iki.fi> - 2019-03-28 07:30 +0100
Re: text editors <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-03-28 11:40 +0100
Re: text editors "tomas@tuxteam.de" <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-03-28 12:30 +0100
Re: text editors "tomas@tuxteam.de" <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-03-28 13:00 +0100
Re: text editors Pierre Fourès <pierre.foures@gmail.com> - 2019-03-28 17:50 +0100
Re: text editors deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-03-28 21:40 +0100
Re: text editors mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2019-03-27 10:00 +0100
Re: text editors Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-03-27 11:20 +0100
Re: text editors Teemu Likonen <tlikonen@iki.fi> - 2019-03-27 16:50 +0100
Understanding (some) Lisp (was: Re: text editors) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2019-03-28 17:10 +0100
Re: Understanding (some) Lisp Teemu Likonen <tlikonen@iki.fi> - 2019-03-28 17:20 +0100
Re: text editors Ben Finney <bignose@debian.org> - 2019-03-26 03:30 +0100
Re: text editors Teemu Likonen <tlikonen@iki.fi> - 2019-03-26 06:30 +0100
Re: text editors Tony Rowe <ay986@chebucto.ns.ca> - 2019-03-26 23:40 +0100
Re: text editors Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2019-03-28 01:30 +0100
Re: text editors John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2019-03-28 03:00 +0100
Re: text editors <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-03-28 09:20 +0100
Re: text editors mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2019-03-27 12:10 +0100
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