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Re: ThunderMail is coming soon

From "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
Newsgroups alt.comp.software.thunderbird
Subject Re: ThunderMail is coming soon
Date 2025-04-21 19:53 +0000
Organization A noiseless patient Spider
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I'm cutting the fucking crosspost to groups in which this discussion is
off topic. Just because our dear constantly-morphing "author" of the
root article -- no, he wrote nothing -- is seeking attention, I don't
have to play along. It's barely on topic in the Thunderbird newsgroup,
just because the project is being done by the Thunderbird team at Mozilla.

The discussion should have taken place in comp.mail.misc or some other
group for server discussion, but let's continue it in the Thunderbird
group.

VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:
>Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> wrote:
>>James <invalid@invalid.invalid> Wrote in message:

>>>... The service will also allow using your own custom domain (e.g.
>>>your.name@yourdomain.com).

>>Really?

>https://blog.thunderbird.net/2025/04/thundermail-and-thunderbird-pro-services/
>  "The email domain for Thundermail will be Thundermail.com or tb.pro. 
>  Additionally, you will be able to bring your own domain on day 1 of 
>  the service."

I read through the blog post.

How the hell did Mozilla come up with there's a need for yet another
file sharing service, and that "sharing a link" is somehow an impediment
to file sharing?

I use Dropbox for cloud storage and file sharing. It's probably the most
popular commercial service. I'm under the limit for a paid account. I
also use MEGA which has higher quotas than Dropbox. Some time back, when
I had a computer crash, I actually exceeded the quota for file transfer
for the free service and converted to the paid service. I could have
completed file transfers under quota for the free service if I'd waited
till it completed over two or three days. The storage capacity I now
have is absurdly large.

Both service offer similar file-sharing techniques. If the subscriber
wants to share a file with a link, he copies the file into a
subdirectory that can allow public access, and then obtains the link.

A subscriber can also share specific directories with other subscribers
by adding privileges or changing ownership, but typically every
subscriber would be using the proprietary client (kids, this is what you
call an "app") and set up a local file tree with comparable levels. With
the client, there's no use of a public subdirectory and no link sharing.

Am I put off from file sharing because I'm not using an integrated suite
of applications and services? No, of course not. But they do offer
features that integrate their file sharing service with other clients.

My computer networking experience goes back to Unix. Xenix and various
System V release 4-based systems, especially Unixware. Never been on a
Berkeley-style Unix, except Sendmail made its way onto non-Berkeley
Unixes. SVR4 used mailsurr instead of sendmail natively. I recall
complications in integrating Majordomo (a list server), meant to be run
on top of Sendmail, with mailsurr.

In any event, I called clients from the command line and typically used
clients that I thought were best for the task at hand. I won't even use
the same client for News and Mail.

There might be a few more commands to issue but it also means I'm not
making mistakes at the speed of a mouse click.

I greatly dislike the graphical user interface of numerous clients,
whether they offer their own GUI or require me to call the browser. If
they have a command, how do I access it, especially these days with the
elimination of drop-down menus? With a suite of applications, there are
numerous commands, the path to which won't be obvious to me.

There's a real benefit to one client that performs one task, even if I
have to call it from the command line.

How odd it is that Mozilla, having removed the ftp client that had been
integrated into Firefox because there was no business case for
continuing to support it, now wants to offer cloud-based file sharing
service to which they'll have to devote far more resources to compete
against commercial services that most people using them think that they
get it right, thinks there is a market to exploit.

I doubt that very much.

I did sign up for the invitation. I think that using "Thunderbird Pro"
to market services Mozilla wants to offer will confuse everybody, and
that they should have used a different name. I want to see what the
mailboxes will cost as I'm not entirely happy with email services I'm
using for some of my domains.

Right now, I don't have an easy way to send bulk email to contacts. Yes,
many of the mailing lists I use are opt-in, but that's inappropriate for
business contacts. I'm not sending unsolicited commercial mail. If a
business contact has told me he doesn't want to receive bulk email
messages, I control that with a true/false field in the database.

I write my own databases and don't require contact management suites
either, but I doubt Mozilla would offer this.

I have a feeling that Mozilla isn't offering a maling list server, since
I had to subscribe to a Mailchimp mailing list. Mailchimp makes it
impossible to send plain text email with no HTML alternative part.

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ThunderMail is coming soon James <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-04-20 19:15 +0000
  Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2025-04-20 20:35 +0100
    Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-20 21:50 +0200
    Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-04-21 16:13 +0000
      Re: ThunderMail is coming soon D <J@M> - 2025-04-21 20:20 +0200
      Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Jörg Knobloch <jorgk@jorgk.com> - 2025-04-21 22:07 +0200
  Re: ThunderMail is coming soon D <J@M> - 2025-04-20 21:55 +0200
  Re: ThunderMail is coming soon kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> - 2025-04-20 21:42 +0200
    Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-20 15:46 -0500
      Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-04-21 08:52 +0100
        Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-21 17:36 -0500
          Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-22 05:58 -0400
            Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-22 07:43 -0500
              Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-04-22 23:42 +1000
        Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Wayne <wayne@nospam.com> - 2025-04-22 11:12 -0400
  Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> - 2025-04-20 21:12 +0100
    Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-20 15:49 -0500
      Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> - 2025-04-21 08:59 +0100
        Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-04-21 08:05 -0400
          Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> - 2025-04-21 14:05 +0100
            Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-04-21 11:41 -0400
            Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-21 18:18 -0500
              Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Frank Miller <miller@posteo.ee> - 2025-04-22 01:42 +0200
      Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-04-21 18:53 +0200
        Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-04-22 20:07 +1000
          Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-22 07:49 -0500
            Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-04-22 13:58 +0000
              Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-22 15:32 +0000
              Re: ThunderMail is coming soon David <BD@invalid.now> - 2025-05-03 14:50 +0100
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-03 14:39 -0400
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2025-05-03 19:14 +0000
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-03 23:53 +0200
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-05-04 13:31 +0000
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-05-04 13:59 +0000
            Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-04-22 15:39 +0100
              Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-23 00:27 -0500
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-04-23 11:31 +0100
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-23 06:14 -0500
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-04-23 12:36 +0100
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-23 06:50 -0500
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-04-23 15:54 +0000
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-24 05:00 -0500
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Philip Herlihy <nothing@invalid.com> - 2025-04-24 12:19 +0100
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-04-24 14:33 +0200
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Philip Herlihy <nothing@invalid.com> - 2025-04-25 12:54 +0100
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-04-25 18:03 +0200
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Philip Herlihy <nothing@invalid.com> - 2025-04-29 16:48 +0100
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2025-04-24 14:55 +0100
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-04-24 15:26 +0100
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-24 21:05 -0500
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-24 21:25 -0500
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-04-25 06:53 +0100
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-25 01:53 -0500
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-04-25 08:11 +0100
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-25 07:06 -0500
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-25 13:47 +0200
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-04-25 08:20 -0400
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-25 07:52 -0500
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-04-25 12:00 -0400
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Arthur Conan Doyle <dont@bother.com> - 2025-04-25 07:33 -0500
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-24 22:47 +0200
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2025-04-24 22:09 +0100
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-04-24 15:27 +0000
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-04-24 18:37 +0200
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Trump Lost The Tariff War <Trump@US.Gov> - 2025-04-24 17:30 +0000
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-04-24 21:48 +0200
            Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-04-23 09:45 +0200
            Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-04-23 09:45 +0200
      Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> - 2025-04-21 19:53 +0000
        Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-22 06:31 -0500
  Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-20 15:47 -0500
  Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2025-04-21 03:45 -0700
    Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-04-22 21:14 -0500
      Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-23 00:54 -0500
  Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Philip Herlihy <nothing@invalid.com> - 2025-04-21 13:00 +0100
  Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Roberto <dash@dominus.net> - 2025-04-21 19:26 +0200
  Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Robert <monstoor@spammedia.com> - 2025-04-23 00:15 +0100
    Re: ThunderMail is coming soon NZ Rules OK <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-04-23 00:49 +0100
      Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Nobody <jock@soccer.com> - 2025-04-22 18:36 -0700
      Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-24 05:07 -0500
        Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Robert <monstoor@spammedia.com> - 2025-04-25 00:26 +0100
        Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2025-04-25 05:44 -0700
  Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-16 06:26 -0500
    Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Wayne <wayne@nospam.com> - 2025-05-28 18:26 -0400
      Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-28 18:58 -0500
  Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2025-05-21 02:18 +0800
    Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> - 2025-05-21 10:50 -0400

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