Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Adam H. Kerman" Newsgroups: alt.comp.software.thunderbird Subject: Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2025 19:53:43 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 103 Message-ID: References: <1qtcu2gjgv16u$.dlg@v.nguard.lh> Injection-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2025 21:53:56 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="5e15addb5e894c6e3e5da8414628dc8d"; logging-data="3086917"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+U+O/gs4Ru2KSyewEsN5kJ3PbYSiHrWYI=" Cancel-Lock: sha1:DyTm4qteAKWIm1zdGg2Fy/2yWPY= X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test77 (Sep 1, 2010) Xref: csiph.com alt.comp.software.thunderbird:16401 I'm cutting the fucking crosspost to groups in which this discussion is off topic. Just because our dear constantly-morphing "author" of the root article -- no, he wrote nothing -- is seeking attention, I don't have to play along. It's barely on topic in the Thunderbird newsgroup, just because the project is being done by the Thunderbird team at Mozilla. The discussion should have taken place in comp.mail.misc or some other group for server discussion, but let's continue it in the Thunderbird group. VanguardLH wrote: >Dave Royal wrote: >>James Wrote in message: >>>... The service will also allow using your own custom domain (e.g. >>>your.name@yourdomain.com). >>Really? >https://blog.thunderbird.net/2025/04/thundermail-and-thunderbird-pro-services/ > "The email domain for Thundermail will be Thundermail.com or tb.pro. > Additionally, you will be able to bring your own domain on day 1 of > the service." I read through the blog post. How the hell did Mozilla come up with there's a need for yet another file sharing service, and that "sharing a link" is somehow an impediment to file sharing? I use Dropbox for cloud storage and file sharing. It's probably the most popular commercial service. I'm under the limit for a paid account. I also use MEGA which has higher quotas than Dropbox. Some time back, when I had a computer crash, I actually exceeded the quota for file transfer for the free service and converted to the paid service. I could have completed file transfers under quota for the free service if I'd waited till it completed over two or three days. The storage capacity I now have is absurdly large. Both service offer similar file-sharing techniques. If the subscriber wants to share a file with a link, he copies the file into a subdirectory that can allow public access, and then obtains the link. A subscriber can also share specific directories with other subscribers by adding privileges or changing ownership, but typically every subscriber would be using the proprietary client (kids, this is what you call an "app") and set up a local file tree with comparable levels. With the client, there's no use of a public subdirectory and no link sharing. Am I put off from file sharing because I'm not using an integrated suite of applications and services? No, of course not. But they do offer features that integrate their file sharing service with other clients. My computer networking experience goes back to Unix. Xenix and various System V release 4-based systems, especially Unixware. Never been on a Berkeley-style Unix, except Sendmail made its way onto non-Berkeley Unixes. SVR4 used mailsurr instead of sendmail natively. I recall complications in integrating Majordomo (a list server), meant to be run on top of Sendmail, with mailsurr. In any event, I called clients from the command line and typically used clients that I thought were best for the task at hand. I won't even use the same client for News and Mail. There might be a few more commands to issue but it also means I'm not making mistakes at the speed of a mouse click. I greatly dislike the graphical user interface of numerous clients, whether they offer their own GUI or require me to call the browser. If they have a command, how do I access it, especially these days with the elimination of drop-down menus? With a suite of applications, there are numerous commands, the path to which won't be obvious to me. There's a real benefit to one client that performs one task, even if I have to call it from the command line. How odd it is that Mozilla, having removed the ftp client that had been integrated into Firefox because there was no business case for continuing to support it, now wants to offer cloud-based file sharing service to which they'll have to devote far more resources to compete against commercial services that most people using them think that they get it right, thinks there is a market to exploit. I doubt that very much. I did sign up for the invitation. I think that using "Thunderbird Pro" to market services Mozilla wants to offer will confuse everybody, and that they should have used a different name. I want to see what the mailboxes will cost as I'm not entirely happy with email services I'm using for some of my domains. Right now, I don't have an easy way to send bulk email to contacts. Yes, many of the mailing lists I use are opt-in, but that's inappropriate for business contacts. I'm not sending unsolicited commercial mail. If a business contact has told me he doesn't want to receive bulk email messages, I control that with a true/false field in the database. I write my own databases and don't require contact management suites either, but I doubt Mozilla would offer this. I have a feeling that Mozilla isn't offering a maling list server, since I had to subscribe to a Mailchimp mailing list. Mailchimp makes it impossible to send plain text email with no HTML alternative part.