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Re: ThunderMail is coming soon

From VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH>
Newsgroups alt.comp.software.thunderbird, alt.comp.os.windows-10, alt.comp.os.windows-11
Subject Re: ThunderMail is coming soon
Date 2025-04-23 06:14 -0500
Organization Usenet Elder
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Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:

> If you need to complain about a domain's behaviour, spamming or
> whatever, if you don't get any joy from the contacts given out by the
> website itself or the generally accepted default contacts, usually it
> is sufficient to complain next to the Registrant; ...

Presumably you meant the registrar.  The problem is the domain lookup
nowadays often doesn't reveal contact info on the registrant, there is
no contact info at the web site (assuming it is up and responsive, and
you're not trying to report it is down), and the postmaster and
webmaster e-mail addresses are just bit buckets, or not defined so I get
back an NDR (Non-Delivery Report).  

I'm not trying to report an abusive web site.  I'm trying to contact its
registrant to report a problem with the web site, like it is not
responsive, it may be hacked (e.g., a popup appears mentioning infection
which is ransomware), or otherwise trying to help the registrant with
their web site.  Too many owners don't monitor their sites nor use tools
to notify them when it is down.  They don't know there is a problem
until someone tells them.  That is when contacting them phone or e-mail
can notify them.

Think of walking behind someone carrying a grocery bag, and a can falls
out of a hole in the bag.  You get their attention they are losing their
groceries.  You are helping them, not calling 911 to have them arrested
for littering.

> As for wishing to complain about the actual functionality of a website, 
> any reputable business will be at least somewhat interested if their 
> website is causing their customers or users difficulties, after all it's 
> the modern equivalent of their retail premises or shop window.  If their 
> site is causing sufficient problems to sufficient numbers of people, 
> they'd be foolish to ignore the problem, as it will likely adversely 
> affect their business bottom line.  

How would they know?  Yes, there are monitoring services they could
enlist, but not everyone uses them.  Some web sites are e-tailers, but
many are hobbyists.  It's not they are ignoring a problem.  It's they
don't there is a problem.

> More generally, often you don't need to know the actual site ownership 
> details to work out what you need to know about a it.  

Some web sites won't provide phone numbers, postal addresses, or e-mail
addresses, but supply a web form to contact them.  However, if the web
site is down, obviously you cannot use their web form.  You also cannot
get any contact info published at the web site, because it is down.  So,
what are you left with?  Postmaster and webmaster e-mail address that
are often worthless, or to lookup the domain registrant to see if you
can contact them that way.

Someone recently noted they could not connect to a web site, because
there was some alert in their web browser the site cert was invalid.  I
did the domain lookup, and saw the site cert expired the same day the
user noted they could no longer connect to the site.  Someone somehow
notified the site admin their cert had expired, and they bought another
lease to renew their cert the next day.  The user couldn't load the web
page to get contact info, if even published, at the web site.  Their
domain lookup had bogus registrant info.  I would expect the registrar
would have informed them about a soon-expiring site cert, but maybe the
site owner didn't get it, or didn't see it, or the site owner changed
their e-mail address, so the registrar's notifications were never
received.  You could wait until doomsday hoping the site admin got a new
site cert figuring somehow they'd find out about it.  Or you could be
the someone that somehow told them their site cert had expired.

Digging around a web site looking for contact info is fruitless if the
site is down.  You could try HTTP if HTTPS failed, but not all HTTPS
sites have HTTP pages.  You could send off e-mails to postmaster or
webmaster, but that assumes the site owner reads those instead of
discarding them, or that postmaster@<domain> is where the site's owner
gets e-mails.  

Never had someone tell you your car lights were still on as you were
walking away?  Or you dropped your keys?

With the GDPR, maybe one day you won't even be able to lookup a domain's
registration period, because, gee, that can be construed as private
between registrant and their registrar.  I don't visit the Dark Web, and
the White Web shouldn't behave like the Dark Web.

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  Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2025-04-20 20:35 +0100
    Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-20 21:50 +0200
    Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-04-21 16:13 +0000
      Re: ThunderMail is coming soon D <J@M> - 2025-04-21 20:20 +0200
      Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Jörg Knobloch <jorgk@jorgk.com> - 2025-04-21 22:07 +0200
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  Re: ThunderMail is coming soon kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> - 2025-04-20 21:42 +0200
    Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-20 15:46 -0500
      Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-04-21 08:52 +0100
        Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-21 17:36 -0500
          Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-22 05:58 -0400
            Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-22 07:43 -0500
              Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-04-22 23:42 +1000
        Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Wayne <wayne@nospam.com> - 2025-04-22 11:12 -0400
  Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> - 2025-04-20 21:12 +0100
    Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-20 15:49 -0500
      Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> - 2025-04-21 08:59 +0100
        Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-04-21 08:05 -0400
          Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> - 2025-04-21 14:05 +0100
            Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-04-21 11:41 -0400
            Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-21 18:18 -0500
              Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Frank Miller <miller@posteo.ee> - 2025-04-22 01:42 +0200
      Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-04-21 18:53 +0200
        Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-04-22 20:07 +1000
          Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-22 07:49 -0500
            Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-04-22 13:58 +0000
              Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-22 15:32 +0000
              Re: ThunderMail is coming soon David <BD@invalid.now> - 2025-05-03 14:50 +0100
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-03 14:39 -0400
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2025-05-03 19:14 +0000
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-03 23:53 +0200
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-05-04 13:31 +0000
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-05-04 13:59 +0000
            Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-04-22 15:39 +0100
              Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-23 00:27 -0500
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-04-23 11:31 +0100
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-23 06:14 -0500
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-04-23 12:36 +0100
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-23 06:50 -0500
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-04-23 15:54 +0000
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-24 05:00 -0500
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Philip Herlihy <nothing@invalid.com> - 2025-04-24 12:19 +0100
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-04-24 14:33 +0200
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Philip Herlihy <nothing@invalid.com> - 2025-04-25 12:54 +0100
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-04-25 18:03 +0200
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Philip Herlihy <nothing@invalid.com> - 2025-04-29 16:48 +0100
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2025-04-24 14:55 +0100
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-04-24 15:26 +0100
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-24 21:05 -0500
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-24 21:25 -0500
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-04-25 06:53 +0100
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-25 01:53 -0500
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-04-25 08:11 +0100
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-25 07:06 -0500
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-25 13:47 +0200
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-04-25 08:20 -0400
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-25 07:52 -0500
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-04-25 12:00 -0400
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Arthur Conan Doyle <dont@bother.com> - 2025-04-25 07:33 -0500
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-24 22:47 +0200
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2025-04-24 22:09 +0100
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-04-24 15:27 +0000
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-04-24 18:37 +0200
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Trump Lost The Tariff War <Trump@US.Gov> - 2025-04-24 17:30 +0000
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-04-24 21:48 +0200
            Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-04-23 09:45 +0200
            Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-04-23 09:45 +0200
      Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> - 2025-04-21 19:53 +0000
        Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-22 06:31 -0500
  Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-20 15:47 -0500
  Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2025-04-21 03:45 -0700
    Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-04-22 21:14 -0500
      Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-23 00:54 -0500
  Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Philip Herlihy <nothing@invalid.com> - 2025-04-21 13:00 +0100
  Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Roberto <dash@dominus.net> - 2025-04-21 19:26 +0200
  Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Robert <monstoor@spammedia.com> - 2025-04-23 00:15 +0100
    Re: ThunderMail is coming soon NZ Rules OK <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-04-23 00:49 +0100
      Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Nobody <jock@soccer.com> - 2025-04-22 18:36 -0700
      Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-24 05:07 -0500
        Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Robert <monstoor@spammedia.com> - 2025-04-25 00:26 +0100
        Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2025-04-25 05:44 -0700
  Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-16 06:26 -0500
    Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Wayne <wayne@nospam.com> - 2025-05-28 18:26 -0400
      Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-28 18:58 -0500
  Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2025-05-21 02:18 +0800
    Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> - 2025-05-21 10:50 -0400

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