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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | alt.comp.os.windows-11 |
| Subject | Re: Turning off the Log-in Password |
| Date | 2025-01-27 14:33 -0500 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <vn8n23$165bl$1@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
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On Mon, 1/27/2025 1:49 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
>> On Mon, 1/27/2025 6:16 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> [...]
>
> [On 'BIOS' and/versus 'UEFI':]
>
>>> [Paul, what is your take on this?]
>>
>> It's quite common for the word BIOS to be used on support
>> pages, at least as far as "flashing" recipes are concerned.
>>
>> The objective is to "reassure" the uncertain user, that
>> they are "doing a good thing". This is why they use familiar
>> terminology, rather than technically correct terminology. If
>> they used the word "UEFI" a lot, the user would say
>> "Gee, I should get out of here, this doesn't sound right".
>> That would be my instinctive reaction.
>
> Thanks for sharing your views. BTW, do your 'UEFI' machines also
> partly use the term 'BIOS' in their menus, like my HP does?
>
>> I expect the wrong terminology will disappear in a year or two,
>> as the Intel "UEFI-only" mandate takes effect. It should already
>> be here, that all BIOS-like features are gone (no CSM, no dual
>> mode graphics support) and the machines now are well and truly
>> UEFI only. Only Secure Boot should be a setting to turn on or off.
>> That's the only variable left. And the machine will arrive with
>> Secure Boot on.
>
> Aren't there much more 'BIOS' settings which have to migrate to UEFI?
>
> Besides the usual ones, like time, date, boot options, administrator
> password, power-on password, etc, my 'BIOS Setup Utility' for example
> has TPM settings, virtualization, fan, charging/battery settings,
> keyboard, fingerprint, dock, etc., etc..
>
> [...]
>
>> If I have to choose between "Flashing a BIOS" and "Flashing a UEFI",
>> depending on the person I'm talking to, I am more likely to use
>> the first phrase, just because people may have actually done
>> one of the first items, but zero of the second items. User
>> for the last twenty five years, on home-built computers,
>> have seen that section in the back pages of the user manual.
>> It's a tough choice to make, because the first phrase is similar
>> to saying "Kleenex" when you mean "a tissue for blowing your nose".
>> For better or worse, Kleenex has entered the lexicon, and
>> "No Name Tissue" from my grocer is a non-starter when describing
>> a process.
>>
>> So far, I have flashed three or four UEFI here, in the last two
>> years, just for bug fixes and security. I would never have said
>> that back in the BIOS era. I've had motherboards where the BIOS
>> never got flashed, because the machine started OK and it didn't
>> need any more adjustment by the manufacturer.
>
> Same here. None of our laptops, about six or seven, got flashed,
> except this last Windows 11 one, which got a 'forced' flash as part of a
> Windows Update cycle.
>
The Asus ROG Strix motherboard screen after you press <Del> says:
UEFI BIOS Utility - Advanced Mode
BIOS Information
BIOS Version
Build Date
AGESA Version <=== Processor-related firmware
LED EC1 version <=== makes RGB LED animation
so it's pretty funny in fact. All bases have been covered.
Paul
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Re: Turning off the Log-in Password Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-02-01 16:21 +0000
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Re: Turning off the Log-in Password Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-25 14:44 +0000
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