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Re: Turning off the Log-in Password

From	Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
Newsgroups	alt.comp.os.windows-11
Subject	Re: Turning off the Log-in Password
Date	2025-01-27 18:49 +0000
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Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
> On Mon, 1/27/2025 6:16 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
[...]

[On 'BIOS' and/versus 'UEFI':]

> > [Paul, what is your take on this?]
> 
> It's quite common for the word BIOS to be used on support
> pages, at least as far as "flashing" recipes are concerned.
> 
> The objective is to "reassure" the uncertain user, that
> they are "doing a good thing". This is why they use familiar
> terminology, rather than technically correct terminology. If
> they used the word "UEFI" a lot, the user would say
> "Gee, I should get out of here, this doesn't sound right".
> That would be my instinctive reaction.

  Thanks for sharing your views. BTW, do your 'UEFI' machines also
partly use the term 'BIOS' in their menus, like my HP does?

> I expect the wrong terminology will disappear in a year or two,
> as the Intel "UEFI-only" mandate takes effect. It should already
> be here, that all BIOS-like features are gone (no CSM, no dual
> mode graphics support) and the machines now are well and truly
> UEFI only. Only Secure Boot should be a setting to turn on or off.
> That's the only variable left. And the machine will arrive with
> Secure Boot on.

  Aren't there much more 'BIOS' settings which have to migrate to UEFI?
  
  Besides the usual ones, like time, date, boot options, administrator
password, power-on password, etc, my 'BIOS Setup Utility' for example
has TPM settings, virtualization, fan, charging/battery settings,
keyboard, fingerprint, dock, etc., etc..

[...]

> If I have to choose between "Flashing a BIOS" and "Flashing a UEFI",
> depending on the person I'm talking to, I am more likely to use
> the first phrase, just because people may have actually done
> one of the first items, but zero of the second items. User
> for the last twenty five years, on home-built computers,
> have seen that section in the back pages of the user manual.
> It's a tough choice to make, because the first phrase is similar
> to saying "Kleenex" when you mean "a tissue for blowing your nose".
> For better or worse, Kleenex has entered the lexicon, and
> "No Name Tissue" from my grocer is a non-starter when describing
> a process.
> 
> So far, I have flashed three or four UEFI here, in the last two
> years, just for bug fixes and security. I would never have said
> that back in the BIOS era. I've had motherboards where the BIOS
> never got flashed, because the machine started OK and it didn't
> need any more adjustment by the manufacturer.

  Same here. None of our laptops, about six or seven, got flashed,
except this last Windows 11 one, which got a 'forced' flash as part of a
Windows Update cycle.

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Turning off the Log-in Password Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-01-25 22:57 +1100
  Re: Turning off the Log-in Password Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-01-25 12:31 +0000
    Re: Turning off the Log-in Password Herbert Kleebauer <klee@unibwm.de> - 2025-01-25 14:35 +0100
    Re: Turning off the Log-in Password "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-25 14:43 +0100
      Re: Turning off the Log-in Password Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-01-26 22:57 +1100
        Re: Turning off the Log-in Password T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-26 05:06 -0800
          Re: Turning off the Log-in Password Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-01-28 23:39 +1100
            Re: Turning off the Log-in Password Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-28 13:48 +0000
              Re: Turning off the Log-in Password Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-02-01 22:26 +1100
                Re: Turning off the Log-in Password Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-02-01 11:40 +0000
                Re: Turning off the Log-in Password Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-02-01 16:10 +0000
                Re: Turning off the Log-in Password Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-02-01 17:44 +0000
    Re: Turning off the Log-in Password Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-01-26 23:01 +1100
      Re: Turning off the Log-in Password Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-26 14:54 +0000
        Re: Turning off the Log-in Password Herbert Kleebauer <klee@unibwm.de> - 2025-01-26 17:55 +0100
          Re: Turning off the Log-in Password Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-26 18:19 +0000
            Re: Turning off the Log-in Password Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-01-26 18:33 +0000
              Re: Turning off the Log-in Password Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-26 19:46 +0000
                Re: Turning off the Log-in Password Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-26 20:11 +0000
                Re: Turning off the Log-in Password "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-26 23:04 +0100
                Re: Turning off the Log-in Password Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-27 11:16 +0000
                Re: Turning off the Log-in Password Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-27 13:15 -0500
                Re: Turning off the Log-in Password Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-27 18:49 +0000
                Re: Turning off the Log-in Password Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-27 14:33 -0500
                Re: Turning off the Log-in Password wasbit <wasbit@nowhere.com> - 2025-01-28 09:59 +0000
        Re: Turning off the Log-in Password Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-01-29 00:04 +1100
          Re: Turning off the Log-in Password Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-28 14:33 +0000
            Re: Turning off the Log-in Password Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-28 18:59 -0500
              Re: Turning off the Log-in Password Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-29 11:06 +0000
                Re: Turning off the Log-in Password Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-29 06:24 -0500
                Re: Turning off the Log-in Password "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-29 12:35 +0100
                Re: Turning off the Log-in Password Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-29 13:17 +0000
                Re: Turning off the Log-in Password "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-29 14:38 +0100
                Re: Turning off the Log-in Password Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-29 15:29 +0000
                Re: Turning off the Log-in Password Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-29 13:59 -0500
                Re: Turning off the Log-in Password "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-01 14:59 +0100
                Re: Turning off the Log-in Password Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-29 13:12 +0000
            Re: Turning off the Log-in Password Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-02-01 22:58 +1100
              Re: Turning off the Log-in Password Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-02-01 16:21 +0000
                Re: Turning off the Log-in Password Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-02-02 22:10 +1100
  Re: Turning off the Log-in Password Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-25 14:44 +0000
  Re: Turning off the Log-in Password Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-29 11:51 -0500
    Re: Turning off the Log-in Password Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-02-02 22:20 +1100

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