Vectors are the new JSON (Was: SE policy on use of generative Al ignores Retrieval-Augmented Generatio)

From	Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.prolog
Subject	Vectors are the new JSON (Was: SE policy on use of generative Al ignores Retrieval-Augmented Generatio)
Date	2025-01-10 11:32 +0100
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Hi,

I have switched to use the term "Fuzzy Logic", since
Probability and/or Bayes is surely misleading.
"Fuzzy Logic" is quite old:

In 1965, in his essay Fuzzy Sets[5] - which had been
cited more than 70,000 times by mid-2017 - he first
presented his concept of a theory of fuzzy sets, which
became the nucleus and basis of the rapidly developing
fuzzy logic - (content: The Logic of Uncertainty  )
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotfi_Zadeh#Leistungen

This is also quite intersting, but PostgreSQL is not
the only database management system, that provides
such retrieval extensions:

Vectors are the new JSON
https://www.postgresql.eu/events/pgconfeu2023/sessions/session/4592/slides/435/pgconfeu2023_vectors.pdf

Bye

Mild Shock schrieb:
> Hi,
> 
> In as far I still hold my position, and you can review
> the position in 3-5 years when stupid cows like the MSE
> people have done all their learning:
> 
> This here:
> 
> The content you provide must either be your own original work, or your 
> summary of the properly referenced work of others. [...] Generative 
> artificial intelligence tools are not capable of citing the sources of 
> knowledge used up to the standards of the Stack Exchange network. 
> https://math.stackexchange.com/help/gen-ai-policy
> 
> Is mostlikely outdated. It ignores RAG:
> 
> Was ist Retrieval-Augmented Generation (RAG)?
> https://aws.amazon.com/what-is/retrieval-augmented-generation/
> 
> Bye
> 
> Mild Shock schrieb:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I posted this already on sci.math, sci.logic and
>> sci.physics. Its probably the most important addition
>> to current LLMs, i.e. Retrieval-Augmented Generation (RAG).
>>
>> But somehow the morons of MSE don't understand a bit
>> whats going on around and about the world. They are
>> quite immune to progress in AI. Like stupid cows.
>>
>> ------------------ cut here --------------------
>>
>> More details on RAG, see here RETRO Project (*) at t=12:01:
>>
>> What's wrong with LLMs and what we should be building instead
>> Tom Dietterich - 10.07.2023
>> https://youtu.be/cEyHsMzbZBs
>>
>> So its not a very new technique now appearing in
>> generative AIs on the market as well. Some chat bots
>> are even now able to sometimes show more clearly the
>>
>> used source documents in their answer. The MSE end
>> user can still edit a citation by hand to conform
>> more to the SEN format, if this would be the issue.
>>
>> Also the MSE end user can explicitly now ask a chat
>> bot for sources, which he will get most of the time.
>> Or he can give a chat bot a source for review and
>>
>> discussion. This works also. So there is not anymore
>> this "remoteness" of an LLM to the actual virtual
>> world of documents. Its more that they now inhabit the
>>
>> actual virtual world and interact with it. Another issue
>> I see is that in certain countries and educational
>> institutions, it might the case that working with a
>>
>> chat bot is something that the students learn,
>> yet they are not officially allowed to use it on
>> MSE, because MSE policies are biased on outdated
>>
>> views about generative AI.
>>
>> See also:
>>
>> (*) RETRO Project:
>>
>> Improving language models by retrieving from trillions of tokens
>> Sebastian Borgeaud et al. - 7 Feb 2022
>> https://arxiv.org/abs/2112.04426
>>
>> ------------------ cut here --------------------
>>
>> Bye
>>
>> Mild Shock schrieb:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Prologers with their pipe dream of Ontologies
>>> with Axioms are most hurt by LLMs that work
>>> more on the basis of Fuzzy Logic.
>>>
>>> Even good old "hardmath" is not immune to
>>> this coping mechanism:
>>>
>>> "I've cast one of my rare votes-to-delete. It is
>>> a self-answer to the OP's off-topic "question".
>>> Rather than improve the original post, the effort
>>> has been made to "promote" some so-called RETRO
>>> Project by linking YouTube and arxiv.org URLs.
>>> Not worth retaining IMHO.
>>> -- hardmath
>>>
>>> https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/a/38051/1482376
>>>
>>> Bye
>>
>

Thread

Prologers are hurt the most by LLMs Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-01-10 11:09 +0100
  RETRO Project Sebastian Borgeaud et al. - 7 Feb 2022 (Was: Prologers are hurt the most by LLMs) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-01-10 11:12 +0100
    SE policy on use of generative Al ignores Retrieval-Augmented Generatio (Was: RETRO Project Sebastian Borgeaud et al. - 7 Feb 2022) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-01-10 11:15 +0100
      Vectors are the new JSON (Was: SE policy on use of generative Al ignores Retrieval-Augmented Generatio) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-01-10 11:32 +0100
        XAI is over and out (Was: Vectors are the new JSON) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-01-10 12:05 +0100
          Academia is retarded (Re: XAI is over and out) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-01-10 12:21 +0100
  Abstraction Engine / Pattern-Amplification AI Avalanche [Java to C# translation] (Re: Prologers are hurt the most by LLMs) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-10-04 15:50 +0200
    Swift AI versus Apertus AI: David against Goliath (Re: Abstraction Engine / Pattern-Amplification AI Avalanche [Java to C# translation]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-10-04 16:04 +0200

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