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SE policy on use of generative Al ignores Retrieval-Augmented Generatio (Was: RETRO Project Sebastian Borgeaud et al. - 7 Feb 2022)

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Hi,

In as far I still hold my position, and you can review
the position in 3-5 years when stupid cows like the MSE
people have done all their learning:

This here:

The content you provide must either be your own original work, or your 
summary of the properly referenced work of others. [...] Generative 
artificial intelligence tools are not capable of citing the sources of 
knowledge used up to the standards of the Stack Exchange network. 
https://math.stackexchange.com/help/gen-ai-policy

Is mostlikely outdated. It ignores RAG:

Was ist Retrieval-Augmented Generation (RAG)?
https://aws.amazon.com/what-is/retrieval-augmented-generation/

Bye

Mild Shock schrieb:
> Hi,
> 
> I posted this already on sci.math, sci.logic and
> sci.physics. Its probably the most important addition
> to current LLMs, i.e. Retrieval-Augmented Generation (RAG).
> 
> But somehow the morons of MSE don't understand a bit
> whats going on around and about the world. They are
> quite immune to progress in AI. Like stupid cows.
> 
> ------------------ cut here --------------------
> 
> More details on RAG, see here RETRO Project (*) at t=12:01:
> 
> What's wrong with LLMs and what we should be building instead
> Tom Dietterich - 10.07.2023
> https://youtu.be/cEyHsMzbZBs
> 
> So its not a very new technique now appearing in
> generative AIs on the market as well. Some chat bots
> are even now able to sometimes show more clearly the
> 
> used source documents in their answer. The MSE end
> user can still edit a citation by hand to conform
> more to the SEN format, if this would be the issue.
> 
> Also the MSE end user can explicitly now ask a chat
> bot for sources, which he will get most of the time.
> Or he can give a chat bot a source for review and
> 
> discussion. This works also. So there is not anymore
> this "remoteness" of an LLM to the actual virtual
> world of documents. Its more that they now inhabit the
> 
> actual virtual world and interact with it. Another issue
> I see is that in certain countries and educational
> institutions, it might the case that working with a
> 
> chat bot is something that the students learn,
> yet they are not officially allowed to use it on
> MSE, because MSE policies are biased on outdated
> 
> views about generative AI.
> 
> See also:
> 
> (*) RETRO Project:
> 
> Improving language models by retrieving from trillions of tokens
> Sebastian Borgeaud et al. - 7 Feb 2022
> https://arxiv.org/abs/2112.04426
> 
> ------------------ cut here --------------------
> 
> Bye
> 
> Mild Shock schrieb:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Prologers with their pipe dream of Ontologies
>> with Axioms are most hurt by LLMs that work
>> more on the basis of Fuzzy Logic.
>>
>> Even good old "hardmath" is not immune to
>> this coping mechanism:
>>
>> "I've cast one of my rare votes-to-delete. It is
>> a self-answer to the OP's off-topic "question".
>> Rather than improve the original post, the effort
>> has been made to "promote" some so-called RETRO
>> Project by linking YouTube and arxiv.org URLs.
>> Not worth retaining IMHO.
>> -- hardmath
>>
>> https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/a/38051/1482376
>>
>> Bye
> 

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