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Re: routing

From	"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.networking
Subject	Re: routing
Date	2020-06-02 21:25 +0200
Message-ID	<vlliqg-3ju.ln1@Telcontar.valinor> (permalink)
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On 02/06/2020 15.53, David Brown wrote:
> On 02/06/2020 14:54, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 02/06/2020 08.12, David Brown wrote:
>>> On 02/06/2020 02:32, David W. Hodgins wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 01 Jun 2020 20:18:51 -0400, David Brown 
>>>> <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:
>>>>> Do you still have these?  Here in Norway, only small outlying
>>>>> villages still have analogue telephone lines, and most of these are
>>>>> being disbanded.  In my town (about 1000 households) we have had
>>>>> fibre for internet, TV and telephone (for those, like us, that
>>>>> still have a "house" telephone and not just mobiles) for about a
>>>>> decade.
>>>>
>>>> Most people have switched to voip phones that work over internet 
>>>> connections, but land lines are still available. Costs more, but it
>>>> still works if the power is out, which is not true for the voip
>>>> phones. With a voip phone it's pretty hard to call for support for
>>>> electrical or internet disruptions. I'm in London, Ontario, Canada,
>>>> so like the OP in Kingston, within Bell Canada territory.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Wouldn't you use a mobile phone to call about power cuts?
>>>
>>> Mobile phones dominate here - a lot of households don't even have a 
>>> "house" telephone any more.
>>
>> The mobile phone network is more vulnerable to power failures than the 
>> POTS. The weak point is that the towers have only batteries for 
>> backup, which may last a day or less.
> 
> If you have a power cut that will knock out the towers for a day, it 
> will knock out the POTS system too - the POTS exchanges take power to 
> run and have batteries too.

True, but these are normally huge, and are backed by diesel generators 
over here, so that they can last for weeks.

> 
> Add to that, a large number of POTS telephones have local power - such 
> as for cordless telephones.  It's been decades since I've used a home 
> telephone that didn't need a power supply.

That is true - well, I was using one till about a year ago. I cancelled 
the line, but it was true POTS.

> 
> And in thunderstorms, it's the POTS telephones that are at risk - 
> mobiles are fine, as are VOIP with fibre internet.

Maybe :-D

>> And of course, you may not have charge on your own phone.
>>
> 
> Most people are so addicted to their mobiles that they /always/ have 
> charge on them - and probably have an external battery for emergency 
> charging.  And you can charge them from your car, your laptop, or many 
> other places.

The laptop may be needed otherwise to access some webpages to request 
services :-P

> Maybe I'm just lucky in living in a place where mobiles, internet, VOIP 
> and power are all extremely reliable.

I had the gadget that converts the fibre to ethernet fail completely 
about 6 months ago, so no service at all during a weekend, compounded 
with the impossibility to reach a human at the help phone for the 
company. I had to use the webforum to contact them - using the mobile 
phone to give internet to my laptop. Then they replaced the gadget.

Then, during the confinement because of covid-19, the box that gives TV 
service crashed and produced a broken image. I thought it needed 
replacement, something practically impossible with the confinement rules 
here. Fortunately, they managed to upload new firmware remotely and get 
it working again, but it took about a week. Again, contacting them via 
webforum.

The router does hang now and then. I have a setup to do a power cycle 
with a watchdog.

I have had internet fail completely some evenings. Sometimes the failure 
is regional and goes on the news.

TV may stop working while I watch something in the early hours, the 
thing reboots remotely.

At another place, electricity failed each evening randomly for some 
time, half an hour or so. I have a cute photo of the laptop illuminated 
by a kerosene lamp.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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routing Bob Tennent <rdtennent@tennent.ca> - 2020-06-01 15:53 +0000
  Re: routing David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-06-01 18:31 +0200
    Re: routing William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2020-06-01 22:30 +0000
      Re: routing "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-06-02 14:50 +0200
        Re: routing William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2020-06-02 19:54 +0000
    Re: routing Ken Hart <kwhart1@frontier.com> - 2020-06-01 18:35 -0400
      Re: routing "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2020-06-01 19:00 -0400
        Re: routing David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-06-02 02:18 +0200
          Re: routing "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2020-06-01 20:32 -0400
            Re: routing David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-06-02 08:12 +0200
              Re: routing "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-06-02 14:54 +0200
                Re: routing David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-06-02 15:53 +0200
                Re: routing "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2020-06-02 11:19 -0400
                Re: routing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-06-02 21:25 +0200
                Re: routing Johann Beretta <beretta@nun-ya-bizness.com> - 2020-06-04 20:44 -0700
                Re: routing Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-06-05 17:31 +0000
                Re: routing Johann Beretta <beretta@nun-ya-bizness.com> - 2020-06-10 09:20 -0700
                Re: routing Johann Beretta <beretta@nun-ya-bizness.com> - 2020-06-04 20:46 -0700
              Re: routing "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2020-06-02 09:38 -0400
                Re: routing Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-06-02 16:21 +0000
                Re: routing David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-06-02 21:15 +0200
                Re: routing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-06-02 21:36 +0200
                Re: routing Johann Beretta <beretta@nun-ya-bizness.com> - 2020-06-04 20:48 -0700
                Re: routing William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2020-06-05 04:54 +0000
          Re: routing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-06-02 21:30 +0200
            Re: routing Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2020-06-03 13:51 +0300
              Re: routing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-06-03 13:30 +0200
            Re: routing Johann Beretta <beretta@nun-ya-bizness.com> - 2020-06-04 20:51 -0700
              Re: routing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-06-05 15:23 +0200
                Re: routing Johann Beretta <beretta@nun-ya-bizness.com> - 2020-06-10 00:19 -0700
                Re: routing William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2020-06-10 17:44 +0000
          Re: routing Johann Beretta <beretta@nun-ya-bizness.com> - 2020-06-04 20:41 -0700
            Re: routing William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2020-06-05 04:50 +0000
            Re: routing David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-06-05 09:44 +0200
              Re: routing Johann Beretta <beretta@nun-ya-bizness.com> - 2020-06-10 00:36 -0700
        Re: routing Johann Beretta <beretta@nun-ya-bizness.com> - 2020-06-04 20:40 -0700
          Re: routing William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2020-06-05 04:47 +0000
            Re: routing David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-06-05 09:53 +0200
            Re: routing Johann Beretta <beretta@nun-ya-bizness.com> - 2020-06-10 00:41 -0700
              Re: routing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-06-10 12:40 +0200
                Re: routing Johann Beretta <beretta@nun-ya-bizness.com> - 2020-06-10 09:25 -0700
                Re: routing Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-06-12 09:45 +0000
                Re: routing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-06-12 13:55 +0200
                Re: routing David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-06-12 15:45 +0200
                Re: routing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-06-12 23:21 +0200
                Re: routing Johann Beretta <beretta@nun-ya-bizness.com> - 2020-06-12 22:55 -0700
          Re: routing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-06-05 15:34 +0200
            Re: routing Johann Beretta <beretta@nun-ya-bizness.com> - 2020-06-10 00:45 -0700
              Re: routing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-06-10 12:52 +0200
    Re: routing Johann Beretta <beretta@nun-ya-bizness.com> - 2020-06-04 20:35 -0700
      Re: routing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-06-05 15:38 +0200
        Re: routing Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be> - 2020-06-05 15:46 +0200
          Re: routing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-06-06 00:00 +0200
        Re: routing Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-06-09 18:57 +0000
          Re: routing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-06-09 21:08 +0200
            Re: routing Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-06-09 22:07 +0000
              Re: routing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-06-10 00:36 +0200
        Re: routing Johann Beretta <beretta@nun-ya-bizness.com> - 2020-06-10 00:48 -0700
      Re: routing Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be> - 2020-06-05 15:45 +0200
  Re: routing William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2020-06-01 22:21 +0000
    Re: routing Bob Tennent <rdtennent@tennent.ca> - 2020-06-02 02:39 +0000
      Re: routing William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2020-06-02 04:30 +0000
        Re: routing Bob Tennent <rdtennent@tennent.ca> - 2020-06-02 12:03 +0000
  Re: routing Bob Tennent <rdtennent@tennent.ca> - 2020-06-02 20:34 +0000
    Re: routing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-06-02 23:08 +0200
    Re: routing William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2020-06-02 21:20 +0000
  Re: routing Bob Tennent <rdtennent@tennent.ca> - 2020-06-05 15:25 +0000
    Re: routing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-06-06 00:02 +0200
      Re: routing Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-06-06 08:04 +0000
        Re: routing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-06-06 12:00 +0200
          Re: routing Bob Tennent <rdtennent@tennent.ca> - 2020-06-06 10:43 +0000
            Re: routing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-06-06 13:35 +0200
              Re: routing Bob Tennent <rdtennent@tennent.ca> - 2020-06-06 12:04 +0000
                Re: routing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-06-06 20:35 +0200
          Re: routing Johann Beretta <beretta@nun-ya-bizness.com> - 2020-06-10 00:55 -0700
        Re: routing William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2020-06-06 16:19 +0000

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