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Re: routing

From David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.networking
Subject Re: routing
Date 2020-06-05 09:44 +0200
Organization A noiseless patient Spider
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On 05/06/2020 05:41, Johann Beretta wrote:
> On 6/1/20 5:18 PM, David Brown wrote:
> 
>>
>> Do you still have these?  Here in Norway, only small outlying villages
>> still have analogue telephone lines, and most of these are being
>> disbanded.  In my town (about 1000 households) we have had fibre for
>> internet, TV and telephone (for those, like us, that still have a
>> "house" telephone and not just mobiles) for about a decade.
>>
>>
> 
> It's a lot harder to wire up the second largest country on Earth
> (Canada) with fiber to everywhere..  When your country is the size of a
> postage stamp (no offense) it's a hell of a lot easier.
> 

Norway is 1752 km long, and has the second longest coastline (after 
Canada!) of any country in the world.  Much of its length is very thin 
and mountainous, and the coast is characterised by deep fjords, islands, 
mountains and very solid rock.  Inland in the north is a huge expanse of 
very sparsely populated area with little but reindeer herds and 
mosquitoes.  Even in the southern part, towns are mostly small - it's 
only around the capital that there is a high population density.

So I think your "postage stamp" comment (no offence was taken) is based 
on a lack of knowledge of the country.  (And no offence is meant there - 
there is no particular reason why a Canadian would know much about the 
geography of Norway.)

I think, in fact, Canada and Norway would have a fair amount of 
similarity in the physical challenges for wiring or fibering.  There are 
very long distances, lots of areas with spares population (making the 
economics hard), tough winters, ragged coasts with islands, etc.

Not all parts of Norway have fibre to houses.  But there are few 
populated places that don't have good (4G) mobile networks as an 
alternative.  Analogue lines are being turned off over most of the country.

One thing we have that other countries typically don't, is positive 
discrimination for outlying areas combined with controlled monopolies 
for network operators.  So if a fibre company wants to connections to 
people in a town (for internet, TV and telephone), they need to get 
permission from the authorities.  They get a monopoly on the town, which 
makes it much more efficient for them, and it means that the streets get 
dug up once, not a dozen times by different companies.  But after a set 
time (3 years, or something like that) they must offer the fibres for 
lease to other ISP's for the same price as they use internally - the 
monopoly is time limited.  And in return for getting access to the town, 
they will be required to lay fibre to a number of smaller and more 
outlying places within the next couple of years.  Considered separately, 
it would not be cost-effective for them to lay fibre to the small places 
- considered as part of a larger deal, it is fine.

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