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Re: utf

From Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org>
Newsgroups linux.debian.user
Subject Re: utf
Date 2018-04-04 19:50 +0200
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On Wed, Apr 04, 2018 at 07:35:37PM +0200, Nicolas George wrote:
> I am not sure exactly what is your example, but you got its flaw right:
> n is not out of the blue, it was obtained by previously walking the
> string. And in that case, you have all freedom to express n as a more
> convenient entity than an index expressed in terms of chars. A pointer
> maybe, or a pair with both the char index and the octet offset.

The problem is, you reject every single example that everyone gives
you.  I don't know what you expect from us.

You just seem to have Decided, for reasons known only to you, that
The Character Length Of A String Is Not Useful.  Despite literally
decades of programs that have used strlen() in various ways.

Have you never been given ANY kind of problem that involves analysis
of character strings?  Ever?  At all?

What if the question is "Find all the English words that have an E
in the 5th position and a U in the 7th"?

I mean, seriously, at some point you either have to accept that one
of our examples is good enough to justify the existence of strlen()
and character-based string indexing, or we just label you a loon and
ignore everything you say henceforth.

I think most of the REST of us can agree that the character length
and the byte length of a string are BOTH useful quantities, important
in countless ways to countless programs.  And that sometimes your
algorithm wants to treat a string as an indexed array of characters,
and retrieve the nth character.  And that we shouldn't have to dig
up an entire textbook worth of examples to explain this.

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utf mess-mate <mess-mate@gmx.com> - 2018-04-01 16:10 +0200
  Re: utf Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2018-04-01 17:50 +0200
  Re: utf Ionel Mugurel Ciobîcă <I.M.Ciobica@upcmail.nl> - 2018-04-01 18:30 +0200
  Re: utf Andre Majorel <aym-naibed@teaser.fr> - 2018-04-01 18:40 +0200
  Re: utf Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2018-04-01 22:10 +0200
    Re: utf Cindy-Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2018-04-02 00:50 +0200
      Re: utf Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2018-04-02 09:50 +0200
        Re: utf Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2018-04-02 11:40 +0200
        Re: utf Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-04-02 15:30 +0200
    Re: utf Andre Majorel <aym-naibed@teaser.fr> - 2018-04-02 09:50 +0200
      Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-02 14:40 +0200
        Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-04-02 15:10 +0200
        Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@debian.org> - 2018-04-02 15:10 +0200
          Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-02 19:50 +0200
            Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@debian.org> - 2018-04-02 20:20 +0200
              Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-04-02 20:50 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) tomas@tuxteam.de - 2018-04-02 21:00 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-02 21:10 +0200
        Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2018-04-03 00:50 +0200
          Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-03 13:50 +0200
            Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-04-03 14:00 +0200
              Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-03 14:30 +0200
            Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2018-04-03 14:10 +0200
              Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2018-04-03 14:20 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-04-03 14:40 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2018-04-03 21:50 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-04-03 21:50 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2018-04-03 22:10 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-04-03 14:40 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-04 03:10 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-04 03:20 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-04-04 13:30 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-04 14:10 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-04-04 14:10 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-04 14:50 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-04-04 15:00 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Andre Majorel <aym-naibed@teaser.fr> - 2018-04-04 16:20 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-04-04 16:30 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-04 18:00 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-04 18:00 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@NTLWorld.COM> - 2018-04-04 20:50 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-04-04 14:30 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-04 15:10 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Don Armstrong <don@debian.org> - 2018-04-04 19:40 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-04-04 19:50 +0200
                mbox vs maildir vs better formats [Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re:  utf)] Don Armstrong <don@debian.org> - 2018-04-04 20:00 +0200
                Re: mbox vs maildir vs better formats [Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was:  Re: utf)] Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-04-04 20:10 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-04 20:40 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Don Armstrong <don@debian.org> - 2018-04-04 20:50 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-05 14:40 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-04-05 00:20 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-04 21:30 +0200
              Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@debian.org> - 2018-04-04 13:20 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-04-04 16:10 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@debian.org> - 2018-04-04 20:50 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-04-04 21:30 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2018-04-04 23:50 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-04-05 01:00 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@NTLWorld.COM> - 2018-04-04 21:00 +0200
        Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@NTLWorld.COM> - 2018-04-04 20:30 +0200
          Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-04 21:30 +0200
      Re: utf Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2018-04-02 23:40 +0200
      Re: utf Darac Marjal <mailinglist@darac.org.uk> - 2018-04-03 11:00 +0200
        Re: utf Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2018-04-03 11:20 +0200
          Re: utf <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-04-03 11:30 +0200
        Re: utf Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-04-03 12:20 +0200
        Re: utf Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2018-04-03 22:50 +0200
          Re: utf Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-04-03 23:00 +0200
            Re: utf Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-04-03 23:00 +0200
              Re: utf Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-04-03 23:30 +0200
                Re: utf deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-04-04 19:00 +0200
                Re: utf Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-04-04 19:10 +0200
                Re: utf Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-04-04 19:30 +0200
                Re: utf Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-04-04 19:40 +0200
                Re: utf deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-04-04 19:40 +0200
                Re: utf Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-04-04 19:40 +0200
                Re: utf Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-04-04 19:50 +0200
                Re: utf Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-04-04 20:00 +0200
                Re: utf deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-04-04 23:20 +0200
                Re: utf Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2018-04-05 02:30 +0200
                Re: utf Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-04-05 14:10 +0200
                Re: utf Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2018-04-05 00:00 +0200
                Re: utf rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-04 20:30 +0200
                Re: utf Joel Roth <joelz@pobox.com> - 2018-04-04 21:30 +0200
                Re: utf deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-04-04 23:40 +0200
                Re: utf <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-04-05 08:30 +0200
                Re: utf rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-05 14:50 +0200
                Re: utf <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-04-05 15:00 +0200
                Re: utf Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-04-05 15:00 +0200
                Re: utf tomas@tuxteam.de - 2018-04-05 15:10 +0200
                Re: utf deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-04-05 21:40 +0200
                Re: utf Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2018-04-05 23:30 +0200
                Re: utf deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-04-05 23:40 +0200
                Re: utf Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2018-04-06 03:20 +0200
                Re: utf <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-04-06 09:00 +0200
                Re: utf Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2018-04-06 04:20 +0200
                Re: utf <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-04-06 09:10 +0200
                Re: utf Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2018-04-05 19:00 +0200
                Re: utf rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-05 20:00 +0200
              Re: utf Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2018-04-03 23:40 +0200
        Re: utf Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@debian.org> - 2018-04-04 14:20 +0200

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