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Re: utf

From Nicolas George <george@nsup.org>
Newsgroups linux.debian.user
Subject Re: utf
Date 2018-04-04 19:10 +0200
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deloptes (2018-04-04):
> @Nicolas, I think OP does not understand you - perhaps it is not worth the
> effort. My impression is that you refer to a string (properly) as sequence
> of bytes and other refer to it as number of chars, which is not consistant
> with utf.

Not at all, I am well speaking of text string, made up of characters,
expressed as sequences of Unicode code point, and encoded as any data
structure convenient.

What I am trying to explain (not to the OP who is focussing on another
thing entirely and obviously beyond help anyway), is that if you are
thinking of stings in terms of "access the n-th char", "find the length
of the string in chars", etc., then you completely have missed the point
of them.

Find me a case where you need to access the n-th char of a string, with
n completely out of the blue, and I will explain how somebody botched
their design.

Regards,

-- 
  Nicolas George

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utf mess-mate <mess-mate@gmx.com> - 2018-04-01 16:10 +0200
  Re: utf Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2018-04-01 17:50 +0200
  Re: utf Ionel Mugurel Ciobîcă <I.M.Ciobica@upcmail.nl> - 2018-04-01 18:30 +0200
  Re: utf Andre Majorel <aym-naibed@teaser.fr> - 2018-04-01 18:40 +0200
  Re: utf Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2018-04-01 22:10 +0200
    Re: utf Cindy-Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2018-04-02 00:50 +0200
      Re: utf Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2018-04-02 09:50 +0200
        Re: utf Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2018-04-02 11:40 +0200
        Re: utf Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-04-02 15:30 +0200
    Re: utf Andre Majorel <aym-naibed@teaser.fr> - 2018-04-02 09:50 +0200
      Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-02 14:40 +0200
        Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-04-02 15:10 +0200
        Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@debian.org> - 2018-04-02 15:10 +0200
          Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-02 19:50 +0200
            Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@debian.org> - 2018-04-02 20:20 +0200
              Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-04-02 20:50 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) tomas@tuxteam.de - 2018-04-02 21:00 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-02 21:10 +0200
        Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2018-04-03 00:50 +0200
          Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-03 13:50 +0200
            Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-04-03 14:00 +0200
              Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-03 14:30 +0200
            Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2018-04-03 14:10 +0200
              Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2018-04-03 14:20 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-04-03 14:40 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2018-04-03 21:50 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-04-03 21:50 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2018-04-03 22:10 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-04-03 14:40 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-04 03:10 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-04 03:20 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-04-04 13:30 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-04 14:10 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-04-04 14:10 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-04 14:50 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-04-04 15:00 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Andre Majorel <aym-naibed@teaser.fr> - 2018-04-04 16:20 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-04-04 16:30 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-04 18:00 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-04 18:00 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@NTLWorld.COM> - 2018-04-04 20:50 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-04-04 14:30 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-04 15:10 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Don Armstrong <don@debian.org> - 2018-04-04 19:40 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-04-04 19:50 +0200
                mbox vs maildir vs better formats [Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re:  utf)] Don Armstrong <don@debian.org> - 2018-04-04 20:00 +0200
                Re: mbox vs maildir vs better formats [Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was:  Re: utf)] Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-04-04 20:10 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-04 20:40 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Don Armstrong <don@debian.org> - 2018-04-04 20:50 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-05 14:40 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-04-05 00:20 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-04 21:30 +0200
              Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@debian.org> - 2018-04-04 13:20 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-04-04 16:10 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@debian.org> - 2018-04-04 20:50 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-04-04 21:30 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2018-04-04 23:50 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-04-05 01:00 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@NTLWorld.COM> - 2018-04-04 21:00 +0200
        Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@NTLWorld.COM> - 2018-04-04 20:30 +0200
          Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-04 21:30 +0200
      Re: utf Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2018-04-02 23:40 +0200
      Re: utf Darac Marjal <mailinglist@darac.org.uk> - 2018-04-03 11:00 +0200
        Re: utf Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2018-04-03 11:20 +0200
          Re: utf <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-04-03 11:30 +0200
        Re: utf Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-04-03 12:20 +0200
        Re: utf Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2018-04-03 22:50 +0200
          Re: utf Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-04-03 23:00 +0200
            Re: utf Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-04-03 23:00 +0200
              Re: utf Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-04-03 23:30 +0200
                Re: utf deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-04-04 19:00 +0200
                Re: utf Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-04-04 19:10 +0200
                Re: utf Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-04-04 19:30 +0200
                Re: utf Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-04-04 19:40 +0200
                Re: utf deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-04-04 19:40 +0200
                Re: utf Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-04-04 19:40 +0200
                Re: utf Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-04-04 19:50 +0200
                Re: utf Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-04-04 20:00 +0200
                Re: utf deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-04-04 23:20 +0200
                Re: utf Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2018-04-05 02:30 +0200
                Re: utf Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-04-05 14:10 +0200
                Re: utf Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2018-04-05 00:00 +0200
                Re: utf rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-04 20:30 +0200
                Re: utf Joel Roth <joelz@pobox.com> - 2018-04-04 21:30 +0200
                Re: utf deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-04-04 23:40 +0200
                Re: utf <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-04-05 08:30 +0200
                Re: utf rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-05 14:50 +0200
                Re: utf <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-04-05 15:00 +0200
                Re: utf Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-04-05 15:00 +0200
                Re: utf tomas@tuxteam.de - 2018-04-05 15:10 +0200
                Re: utf deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-04-05 21:40 +0200
                Re: utf Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2018-04-05 23:30 +0200
                Re: utf deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-04-05 23:40 +0200
                Re: utf Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2018-04-06 03:20 +0200
                Re: utf <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-04-06 09:00 +0200
                Re: utf Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2018-04-06 04:20 +0200
                Re: utf <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-04-06 09:10 +0200
                Re: utf Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2018-04-05 19:00 +0200
                Re: utf rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-05 20:00 +0200
              Re: utf Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2018-04-03 23:40 +0200
        Re: utf Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@debian.org> - 2018-04-04 14:20 +0200

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