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Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf)

From rhkramer@gmail.com
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Subject Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf)
Date 2018-04-02 19:50 +0200
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Thanks to tomas and Henrique!

The wikipedia article is rather interesting, in a quick skim, I learned some 
interesting things about UTF-8, especially the property of self-
synchronization.

I had trouble reading that large table--but if I simply take the red boxes at 
face value, maybe there are 10 or so bytes that are not valid UTF-8.  I'll 
probably first consider the bytes that tomas also mentions, i.e., decimal 254 
and 255).

I guess I have a followup question--are those two bytes (or either one of 
them) also unused in all possible "code pages"?  

The problem is that I copy snippets of text from all kinds of sources into 
those text files (which are formatted like mbox files), so I might find one or 
both of those bytes in the file already.

I guess it's not a big deal as, I will either:

   * search the file (with a hex editor, I guess) to see if decimal 254 or 255 
is in use already--if only one or a few cases, I might replace it with 
something else before adding additional instances to serve as a temporary 
record separator (for use by msort), or

   * use one of the other utilities that I've since found which can apparently 
sort mbox files while keeping emails intact (I have to read up on those (or 
it?) again as there were, iirc, also some limitations there that might not let 
me accomplish what I want (usually, sorting the emails by the title in the 
mbox "From " header (and ususally not by the email From: header).

Thanks again!


On Monday, April 02, 2018 09:05:52 AM Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Apr 2018, rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:
> > A few weeks ago, I was looking for a byte that, in UTF-8, would be a
> > totally invalid byte (not an invalid sequence of bytes).  At the time, I
> > tried some googling, but it looked rather hopeless (maybe it was my
> > googling that was hopeless).
> 
> 0xff should work.  But any of those in RED on the wikipedia article
> about UTF-8 would do for Unicode text:
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTF-8

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utf mess-mate <mess-mate@gmx.com> - 2018-04-01 16:10 +0200
  Re: utf Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2018-04-01 17:50 +0200
  Re: utf Ionel Mugurel Ciobîcă <I.M.Ciobica@upcmail.nl> - 2018-04-01 18:30 +0200
  Re: utf Andre Majorel <aym-naibed@teaser.fr> - 2018-04-01 18:40 +0200
  Re: utf Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2018-04-01 22:10 +0200
    Re: utf Cindy-Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2018-04-02 00:50 +0200
      Re: utf Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2018-04-02 09:50 +0200
        Re: utf Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2018-04-02 11:40 +0200
        Re: utf Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-04-02 15:30 +0200
    Re: utf Andre Majorel <aym-naibed@teaser.fr> - 2018-04-02 09:50 +0200
      Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-02 14:40 +0200
        Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-04-02 15:10 +0200
        Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@debian.org> - 2018-04-02 15:10 +0200
          Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-02 19:50 +0200
            Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@debian.org> - 2018-04-02 20:20 +0200
              Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-04-02 20:50 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) tomas@tuxteam.de - 2018-04-02 21:00 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-02 21:10 +0200
        Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2018-04-03 00:50 +0200
          Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-03 13:50 +0200
            Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-04-03 14:00 +0200
              Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-03 14:30 +0200
            Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2018-04-03 14:10 +0200
              Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2018-04-03 14:20 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-04-03 14:40 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2018-04-03 21:50 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-04-03 21:50 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2018-04-03 22:10 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-04-03 14:40 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-04 03:10 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-04 03:20 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-04-04 13:30 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-04 14:10 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-04-04 14:10 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-04 14:50 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-04-04 15:00 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Andre Majorel <aym-naibed@teaser.fr> - 2018-04-04 16:20 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-04-04 16:30 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-04 18:00 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-04 18:00 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@NTLWorld.COM> - 2018-04-04 20:50 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-04-04 14:30 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-04 15:10 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Don Armstrong <don@debian.org> - 2018-04-04 19:40 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-04-04 19:50 +0200
                mbox vs maildir vs better formats [Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re:  utf)] Don Armstrong <don@debian.org> - 2018-04-04 20:00 +0200
                Re: mbox vs maildir vs better formats [Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was:  Re: utf)] Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-04-04 20:10 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-04 20:40 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Don Armstrong <don@debian.org> - 2018-04-04 20:50 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-05 14:40 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-04-05 00:20 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-04 21:30 +0200
              Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@debian.org> - 2018-04-04 13:20 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-04-04 16:10 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@debian.org> - 2018-04-04 20:50 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-04-04 21:30 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2018-04-04 23:50 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-04-05 01:00 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@NTLWorld.COM> - 2018-04-04 21:00 +0200
        Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@NTLWorld.COM> - 2018-04-04 20:30 +0200
          Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-04 21:30 +0200
      Re: utf Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2018-04-02 23:40 +0200
      Re: utf Darac Marjal <mailinglist@darac.org.uk> - 2018-04-03 11:00 +0200
        Re: utf Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2018-04-03 11:20 +0200
          Re: utf <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-04-03 11:30 +0200
        Re: utf Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-04-03 12:20 +0200
        Re: utf Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2018-04-03 22:50 +0200
          Re: utf Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-04-03 23:00 +0200
            Re: utf Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-04-03 23:00 +0200
              Re: utf Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-04-03 23:30 +0200
                Re: utf deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-04-04 19:00 +0200
                Re: utf Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-04-04 19:10 +0200
                Re: utf Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-04-04 19:30 +0200
                Re: utf Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-04-04 19:40 +0200
                Re: utf deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-04-04 19:40 +0200
                Re: utf Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-04-04 19:40 +0200
                Re: utf Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-04-04 19:50 +0200
                Re: utf Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-04-04 20:00 +0200
                Re: utf deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-04-04 23:20 +0200
                Re: utf Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2018-04-05 02:30 +0200
                Re: utf Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-04-05 14:10 +0200
                Re: utf Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2018-04-05 00:00 +0200
                Re: utf rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-04 20:30 +0200
                Re: utf Joel Roth <joelz@pobox.com> - 2018-04-04 21:30 +0200
                Re: utf deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-04-04 23:40 +0200
                Re: utf <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-04-05 08:30 +0200
                Re: utf rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-05 14:50 +0200
                Re: utf <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-04-05 15:00 +0200
                Re: utf Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-04-05 15:00 +0200
                Re: utf tomas@tuxteam.de - 2018-04-05 15:10 +0200
                Re: utf deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-04-05 21:40 +0200
                Re: utf Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2018-04-05 23:30 +0200
                Re: utf deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-04-05 23:40 +0200
                Re: utf Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2018-04-06 03:20 +0200
                Re: utf <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-04-06 09:00 +0200
                Re: utf Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2018-04-06 04:20 +0200
                Re: utf <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-04-06 09:10 +0200
                Re: utf Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2018-04-05 19:00 +0200
                Re: utf rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-05 20:00 +0200
              Re: utf Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2018-04-03 23:40 +0200
        Re: utf Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@debian.org> - 2018-04-04 14:20 +0200

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