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Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf)

From Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@debian.org>
Newsgroups linux.debian.user
Subject Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf)
Date 2018-04-02 20:20 +0200
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On Mon, 02 Apr 2018, rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:
> The wikipedia article is rather interesting, in a quick skim, I learned some 
> interesting things about UTF-8, especially the property of self-
> synchronization.

Yes, UTF-8 is a brilliant design.

> I had trouble reading that large table--but if I simply take the red boxes at 
> face value, maybe there are 10 or so bytes that are not valid UTF-8.  I'll 
> probably first consider the bytes that tomas also mentions, i.e., decimal 254 
> and 255).

On that table, columns are the least significant bits (second hex
digit), and rows are the most significant bits (first hex digit) of a
byte.  As in C1 is row C, column 1.

The "2-byte", "3-byte" and "4-byte" are comments that remind you of the
self-sinchronizing nature of UTF-8, and that these bytes would be
invalid outside of that position in an UTF-8 sequence that encodes a
single code point (but they would be valid in the correct position).

The stuff in "red" on that table is always invalid for Unicode: if you
find one of those in a data file, that file is *not* valid UTF-8 (but it
could be valid UTF-16, valid UTF-32, or valid ISO-8859-*, etc).

> I guess I have a followup question--are those two bytes (or either one of 
> them) also unused in all possible "code pages"?  

For Unicode, yes, because Unicode can't go past code point 0x10ffff.
And that isn't about to change anytime soon (lots of stuff hardcode it
somehow, e.g., by limiting the number of UTF-8 bytes that can be used to
encode a single code point...).  I have not read the Unicode standard to
check what it says about future expansions related to the valid code
point range, though.

> The problem is that I copy snippets of text from all kinds of sources into 
> those text files (which are formatted like mbox files), so I might find one or 
> both of those bytes in the file already.

Then it isn't a valid unicode text file in UTF-8 format, and it needs to
be converted (or fixed) first to be encoded in UTF-8 :-)

-- 
  Henrique Holschuh

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utf mess-mate <mess-mate@gmx.com> - 2018-04-01 16:10 +0200
  Re: utf Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2018-04-01 17:50 +0200
  Re: utf Ionel Mugurel Ciobîcă <I.M.Ciobica@upcmail.nl> - 2018-04-01 18:30 +0200
  Re: utf Andre Majorel <aym-naibed@teaser.fr> - 2018-04-01 18:40 +0200
  Re: utf Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2018-04-01 22:10 +0200
    Re: utf Cindy-Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2018-04-02 00:50 +0200
      Re: utf Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2018-04-02 09:50 +0200
        Re: utf Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2018-04-02 11:40 +0200
        Re: utf Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-04-02 15:30 +0200
    Re: utf Andre Majorel <aym-naibed@teaser.fr> - 2018-04-02 09:50 +0200
      Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-02 14:40 +0200
        Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-04-02 15:10 +0200
        Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@debian.org> - 2018-04-02 15:10 +0200
          Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-02 19:50 +0200
            Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@debian.org> - 2018-04-02 20:20 +0200
              Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-04-02 20:50 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) tomas@tuxteam.de - 2018-04-02 21:00 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-02 21:10 +0200
        Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2018-04-03 00:50 +0200
          Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-03 13:50 +0200
            Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-04-03 14:00 +0200
              Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-03 14:30 +0200
            Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2018-04-03 14:10 +0200
              Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2018-04-03 14:20 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-04-03 14:40 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2018-04-03 21:50 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-04-03 21:50 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2018-04-03 22:10 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-04-03 14:40 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-04 03:10 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-04 03:20 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-04-04 13:30 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-04 14:10 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-04-04 14:10 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-04 14:50 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-04-04 15:00 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Andre Majorel <aym-naibed@teaser.fr> - 2018-04-04 16:20 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-04-04 16:30 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-04 18:00 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-04 18:00 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@NTLWorld.COM> - 2018-04-04 20:50 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-04-04 14:30 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-04 15:10 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Don Armstrong <don@debian.org> - 2018-04-04 19:40 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-04-04 19:50 +0200
                mbox vs maildir vs better formats [Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re:  utf)] Don Armstrong <don@debian.org> - 2018-04-04 20:00 +0200
                Re: mbox vs maildir vs better formats [Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was:  Re: utf)] Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-04-04 20:10 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-04 20:40 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Don Armstrong <don@debian.org> - 2018-04-04 20:50 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-05 14:40 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-04-05 00:20 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-04 21:30 +0200
              Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@debian.org> - 2018-04-04 13:20 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-04-04 16:10 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@debian.org> - 2018-04-04 20:50 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-04-04 21:30 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2018-04-04 23:50 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-04-05 01:00 +0200
                Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@NTLWorld.COM> - 2018-04-04 21:00 +0200
        Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@NTLWorld.COM> - 2018-04-04 20:30 +0200
          Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-04 21:30 +0200
      Re: utf Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2018-04-02 23:40 +0200
      Re: utf Darac Marjal <mailinglist@darac.org.uk> - 2018-04-03 11:00 +0200
        Re: utf Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2018-04-03 11:20 +0200
          Re: utf <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-04-03 11:30 +0200
        Re: utf Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-04-03 12:20 +0200
        Re: utf Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2018-04-03 22:50 +0200
          Re: utf Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-04-03 23:00 +0200
            Re: utf Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-04-03 23:00 +0200
              Re: utf Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-04-03 23:30 +0200
                Re: utf deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-04-04 19:00 +0200
                Re: utf Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-04-04 19:10 +0200
                Re: utf Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-04-04 19:30 +0200
                Re: utf Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-04-04 19:40 +0200
                Re: utf deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-04-04 19:40 +0200
                Re: utf Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-04-04 19:40 +0200
                Re: utf Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-04-04 19:50 +0200
                Re: utf Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-04-04 20:00 +0200
                Re: utf deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-04-04 23:20 +0200
                Re: utf Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2018-04-05 02:30 +0200
                Re: utf Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-04-05 14:10 +0200
                Re: utf Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2018-04-05 00:00 +0200
                Re: utf rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-04 20:30 +0200
                Re: utf Joel Roth <joelz@pobox.com> - 2018-04-04 21:30 +0200
                Re: utf deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-04-04 23:40 +0200
                Re: utf <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-04-05 08:30 +0200
                Re: utf rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-05 14:50 +0200
                Re: utf <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-04-05 15:00 +0200
                Re: utf Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-04-05 15:00 +0200
                Re: utf tomas@tuxteam.de - 2018-04-05 15:10 +0200
                Re: utf deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-04-05 21:40 +0200
                Re: utf Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2018-04-05 23:30 +0200
                Re: utf deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-04-05 23:40 +0200
                Re: utf Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2018-04-06 03:20 +0200
                Re: utf <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-04-06 09:00 +0200
                Re: utf Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2018-04-06 04:20 +0200
                Re: utf <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-04-06 09:10 +0200
                Re: utf Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2018-04-05 19:00 +0200
                Re: utf rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-04-05 20:00 +0200
              Re: utf Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2018-04-03 23:40 +0200
        Re: utf Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@debian.org> - 2018-04-04 14:20 +0200

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