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| From | Julien ÉLIE <iulius@nom-de-mon-site.com.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.lang, alt.usage.english, soc.culture.france, soc.culture.french |
| Subject | Re: [embonpoint] was once a completely positive term in France |
| Date | 2024-06-16 09:08 +0200 |
| Organization | Groupes francophones par TrigoFACILE |
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Hi HenHanna,
>>> Et perdras
>>> L’embonpoint.
>>> Dieu te doint
>>> Santé bonne,
>>> Ma mignonne.
>>
>> I've never seen "doint" before. >
> https://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/doint
>
> (Désuet) Troisième personne du singulier du présent du subjonctif de
> donner.
>
> Or, prions Dieu qu'il leur doint paradis. — (J.-J. Rousseau)
>
> ---------- So this is Tutoyer for God ?
I am unsure the subjunctive form means using "tu". I would just read it
as "Que Dieu te donne une bonne santé, ma mignonne" or "Puisse Dieu te
donner une bonne santé, ma mignonne".
I confirm "doint" is no longer used in modern French. Some sort of an
old medieval form. I would also highlight the use of "doint" for the
rhyme with "embonpoint".
> "tutoyement" (informal address) and "vouvoiement" (formal address) in
> French grammar
"tutoiement"
> Outdated Conjugation: "Doint" is an outdated conjugation of the
> verb "donner" (to give) in the third person singular form. In Old
> French, "doint" was used for the second-person singular "tu" pronoun
> (you).
Do you have a reference for the use of "doint" for the second-person
singular "tu"? I do not manage to find that explicit use.
https://www.littre.org/definition/donner
1. Donner faisait jadis au subjonctif, que je doin, que tu doins, qu'il
doint ; cette forme se trouve encore dans des auteurs du XVIIe siècle et
même du XVIIIe :
À tous époux Dieu doint pareille joie, La Fontaine, Diable.
Dieu te doint pour guerdon de tes œuvres si saintes…, Régnier, Sat. XII.
Or prions Dieu qu'il leur doint paradis, Rousseau J.-B. Épig. III, 24.
--
Julien ÉLIE
« – Je vous dresserai !
– Vous me dressez déjà les cheveux sur la tête, c'est un bon début. »
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[embonpoint] was once a completely positive term in France HenHanna <HenHanna@devnull.tb> - 2024-05-07 16:33 -0700
Re: [embonpoint] was once a completely positive term in France bebercito@aol.com (Bebercito) - 2024-05-08 15:49 +0000
Re: [embonpoint] was once a completely positive term in France HenHanna <HenHanna@dev.null> - 2024-05-08 19:32 +0000
Re: [embonpoint] was once a completely positive term in France Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2024-05-09 06:07 +0100
Re: [embonpoint] was once a completely positive term in France occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2024-05-09 10:55 +0200
Re: [embonpoint] was once a completely positive term in France HenHanna <HenHanna@dev.null> - 2024-05-10 19:19 +0000
Re: [embonpoint] was once a completely positive term in France bebercito@aol.com (Bebercito) - 2024-05-11 05:25 +0000
Re: [embonpoint] was once a completely positive term in France HenHanna <HenHanna@dev.null> - 2024-05-11 07:32 +0000
Re: [embonpoint] was once a completely positive term in France HenHanna <HenHanna@devnull.tb> - 2024-06-15 17:42 -0700
Re: [embonpoint] was once a completely positive term in France Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2024-06-16 11:29 +1000
Re: [embonpoint] was once a completely positive term in France HenHanna <HenHanna@dev.null> - 2024-06-16 03:24 +0000
Re: [embonpoint] was once a completely positive term in France HenHanna <HenHanna@dev.null> - 2024-06-16 05:07 +0000
Re: [embonpoint] was once a completely positive term in France Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2024-06-16 15:28 +1000
Re: [embonpoint] was once a completely positive term in France Julien ÉLIE <iulius@nom-de-mon-site.com.invalid> - 2024-06-16 09:08 +0200
Re: [embonpoint] was once a completely positive term in France HenHanna <HenHanna@devnull.tb> - 2024-06-16 00:44 -0700
Re: [embonpoint] was once a completely positive term in France Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2024-06-16 09:03 +0100
Re: [embonpoint] was once a completely positive term in France Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2024-06-16 19:41 +1000
Re: [embonpoint] was once a completely positive term in France Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2024-06-16 19:26 +0100
Re: [embonpoint] was once a completely positive term in France Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2024-10-27 11:43 +0000
Re: [embonpoint] was once a completely positive term in France Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2024-10-27 19:53 +0100
Re: [embonpoint] was once a completely positive term in France Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2024-10-28 12:43 +1100
Re: [embonpoint] was once a completely positive term in France Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2024-10-28 18:47 +0000
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