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| From | olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.logic, comp.theory, comp.ai.philosophy, comp.software-eng |
| Subject | Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem |
| Date | 2023-02-15 21:15 -0600 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <tsk753$31vt5$3@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
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Cross-posted to 4 groups.
On 2/15/2023 8:39 PM, olcott wrote:
> On 2/15/2023 8:22 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 2/15/2023 7:47 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>>> Fritz Feldhase <franz.fritschee.ff@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 10:32:19 PM UTC+1, Ben Bacarisse
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Me: do you still assert that H(P,P) == false is the "correct" answer
>>>>> even though P(P) halts?
>>>>>
>>>>> PO: Yes that is the correct answer even though P(P) halts.
>>>>
>>>> Wow!
>>>>
>>>> So for PO H is a "correct halt decider" even if it states that a
>>>> program P with input P _doesn't halt_, though it _halts_.
>>>>
>>>> Well, what can I say?
>>>
>>> What indeed. I think this is pretty much the only reply that should be
>>> made to PO. He may, one day, admit that that was wrong and start to
>>> build a new waffle mountain, but until then, its game over.
>>>
>>>> Seems that all cranks are more or less "the same" (in a certain
>>>> sense): WM, PO, JG, AP, etc.
>>>
>>> In some way yes, but they all disagree with each other when the surface
>>> is scratched because they all want to be the unique individual who as
>>> seen clearly where everyone else was blind. I would not be surprised if
>>> they all had NPD.
>>>
>>>> See:
>>>> https://context.reverso.net/%C3%BCbersetzung/spanisch-englisch/loco%2C+loco
>>>
>>> Possibly literally!
>>>
>>
>> int D(int (*x)())
>> {
>> int Halt_Status = H(x, x);
>> if (Halt_Status)
>> HERE: goto HERE;
>> return Halt_Status;
>> }
>>
>> int main()
>> {
>> Output("Input_Halts = ", H(D,D));
>> Output("Input_Halts = ", D(D));
>> }
>>
>> None-the-less Ben will not lie about:
>> *H correctly predicts that D correctly simulated by H would never halt*
>> *H correctly predicts that D correctly simulated by H would never halt*
>> *H correctly predicts that D correctly simulated by H would never halt*
>
> In other words because Ben is not a liar he implicitly affirms that
> H(D,D) does correctly compute the mapping from its input to its reject
> state on the above basis.
>
There are all kinds of way to weasel word around the above two verified
facts that will fool the gullible.
*None-the-less this verified fact remains irrefutable*
H(D,D) does correctly compute the mapping from its input to its reject
state on the basis that H correctly predicts that D correctly simulated
by H would never halt.
--
Copyright 2023 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer
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Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-14 18:57 -0600
Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-14 21:03 -0500
Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-15 08:57 -0600
Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-15 18:57 -0500
Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Fritz Feldhase <franz.fritschee.ff@gmail.com> - 2023-02-15 09:05 -0800
Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-15 13:25 -0600
Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Fritz Feldhase <franz.fritschee.ff@gmail.com> - 2023-02-15 12:46 -0800
Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-15 15:12 -0600
Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Fritz Feldhase <franz.fritschee.ff@gmail.com> - 2023-02-15 13:26 -0800
Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-15 16:12 -0600
Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Fritz Feldhase <franz.fritschee.ff@gmail.com> - 2023-02-15 15:55 -0800
Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-15 18:06 -0600
Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-15 19:22 -0500
Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-15 19:20 -0500
Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-02-15 21:32 +0000
Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-15 16:13 -0600
Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Fritz Feldhase <franz.fritschee.ff@gmail.com> - 2023-02-15 15:51 -0800
Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-02-16 01:47 +0000
Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-15 20:22 -0600
Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-15 21:36 -0500
Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-15 20:39 -0600
Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-15 21:55 -0500
Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-15 21:15 -0600
Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-15 22:20 -0500
Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-15 21:28 -0600
Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-15 22:42 -0500
Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-16 10:59 -0600
Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-16 18:43 -0500
Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Jeff Barnett <jbb@notatt.com> - 2023-02-16 11:36 -0700
Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-16 13:16 -0600
Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Jeff Barnett <jbb@notatt.com> - 2023-02-16 12:26 -0700
Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem [ irrefutable ] olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-16 13:41 -0600
Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem [ irrefutable ] Jeff Barnett <jbb@notatt.com> - 2023-02-16 15:24 -0700
Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem [ irrefutable ] olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-16 16:45 -0600
Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem [ irrefutable ] Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-16 18:48 -0500
Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-16 18:45 -0500
Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-24 15:31 -0600
Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-24 20:11 -0500
Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem [ Ben will not lie about this ] olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-16 17:01 -0600
Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem [ Ben will not lie about this ] Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-16 18:49 -0500
Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-24 15:31 -0600
Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-24 20:11 -0500
Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-24 16:07 -0600
Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-24 20:11 -0500
Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-24 16:08 -0600
Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-24 20:11 -0500
Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem [-ONLY LIARS WILL DISAGREE-] olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-26 14:01 -0600
Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem [-ONLY LIARS WILL DISAGREE-] Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-26 15:15 -0500
Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem [-ONLY LIARS WILL DISAGREE-] Mr Flibble <flibble@reddwarf.jmc.corp> - 2023-02-26 20:32 +0000
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