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Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem

From olcott <polcott2@gmail.com>
Newsgroups sci.logic, comp.theory, comp.ai.philosophy, comp.software-eng
Subject Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem
Date 2023-02-15 20:39 -0600
Organization A noiseless patient Spider
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On 2/15/2023 8:22 PM, olcott wrote:
> On 2/15/2023 7:47 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>> Fritz Feldhase <franz.fritschee.ff@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 10:32:19 PM UTC+1, Ben Bacarisse 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Me: do you still assert that H(P,P) == false is the "correct" answer
>>>> even though P(P) halts?
>>>>
>>>> PO: Yes that is the correct answer even though P(P) halts.
>>>
>>> Wow!
>>>
>>> So for PO H is a "correct halt decider" even if it states that a
>>> program P with input P _doesn't halt_, though it _halts_.
>>>
>>> Well, what can I say?
>>
>> What indeed.  I think this is pretty much the only reply that should be
>> made to PO.  He may, one day, admit that that was wrong and start to
>> build a new waffle mountain, but until then, its game over.
>>
>>> Seems that all cranks are more or less "the same" (in a certain
>>> sense): WM, PO, JG, AP, etc.
>>
>> In some way yes, but they all disagree with each other when the surface
>> is scratched because they all want to be the unique individual who as
>> seen clearly where everyone else was blind.  I would not be surprised if
>> they all had NPD.
>>
>>> See:
>>> https://context.reverso.net/%C3%BCbersetzung/spanisch-englisch/loco%2C+loco
>>
>> Possibly literally!
>>
> 
> int D(int (*x)())
> {
>    int Halt_Status = H(x, x);
>    if (Halt_Status)
>      HERE: goto HERE;
>    return Halt_Status;
> }
> 
> int main()
> {
>    Output("Input_Halts = ", H(D,D));
>    Output("Input_Halts = ", D(D));
> }
> 
> None-the-less Ben will not lie about:
> *H correctly predicts that D correctly simulated by H would never halt*
> *H correctly predicts that D correctly simulated by H would never halt*
> *H correctly predicts that D correctly simulated by H would never halt*

In other words because Ben is not a liar he implicitly affirms that
H(D,D) does correctly compute the mapping from its input to its reject
state on the above basis.

-- 
Copyright 2023 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-14 18:57 -0600
  Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-14 21:03 -0500
  Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-15 08:57 -0600
    Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-15 18:57 -0500
  Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Fritz Feldhase <franz.fritschee.ff@gmail.com> - 2023-02-15 09:05 -0800
    Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-15 13:25 -0600
      Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Fritz Feldhase <franz.fritschee.ff@gmail.com> - 2023-02-15 12:46 -0800
        Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-15 15:12 -0600
          Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Fritz Feldhase <franz.fritschee.ff@gmail.com> - 2023-02-15 13:26 -0800
            Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-15 16:12 -0600
              Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Fritz Feldhase <franz.fritschee.ff@gmail.com> - 2023-02-15 15:55 -0800
                Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-15 18:06 -0600
              Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-15 19:22 -0500
          Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-15 19:20 -0500
        Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-02-15 21:32 +0000
          Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-15 16:13 -0600
          Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Fritz Feldhase <franz.fritschee.ff@gmail.com> - 2023-02-15 15:51 -0800
            Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-02-16 01:47 +0000
              Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-15 20:22 -0600
                Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-15 21:36 -0500
                Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-15 20:39 -0600
                Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-15 21:55 -0500
                Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-15 21:15 -0600
                Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-15 22:20 -0500
                Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-15 21:28 -0600
                Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-15 22:42 -0500
                Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-16 10:59 -0600
                Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-16 18:43 -0500
              Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Jeff Barnett <jbb@notatt.com> - 2023-02-16 11:36 -0700
                Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-16 13:16 -0600
                Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Jeff Barnett <jbb@notatt.com> - 2023-02-16 12:26 -0700
                Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem [ irrefutable ] olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-16 13:41 -0600
                Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem [ irrefutable ] Jeff Barnett <jbb@notatt.com> - 2023-02-16 15:24 -0700
                Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem [ irrefutable ] olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-16 16:45 -0600
                Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem [ irrefutable ] Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-16 18:48 -0500
                Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-16 18:45 -0500
              Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-24 15:31 -0600
                Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-24 20:11 -0500
          Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem [ Ben will not lie about this ] olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-16 17:01 -0600
            Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem [ Ben will not lie about this ] Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-16 18:49 -0500
          Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-24 15:31 -0600
            Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-24 20:11 -0500
          Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-24 16:07 -0600
            Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-24 20:11 -0500
          Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-24 16:08 -0600
            Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-24 20:11 -0500
          Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem [-ONLY LIARS WILL DISAGREE-] olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-26 14:01 -0600
            Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem [-ONLY LIARS WILL DISAGREE-] Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-26 15:15 -0500
              Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem [-ONLY LIARS WILL DISAGREE-] Mr Flibble <flibble@reddwarf.jmc.corp> - 2023-02-26 20:32 +0000

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