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Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem

From Jeff Barnett <jbb@notatt.com>
Newsgroups sci.logic
Subject Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem
Date 2023-02-16 11:36 -0700
Organization A noiseless patient Spider
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On 2/15/2023 6:47 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
> Fritz Feldhase <franz.fritschee.ff@gmail.com> writes:
> 
>> On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 10:32:19 PM UTC+1, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>>
>>> Me: do you still assert that H(P,P) == false is the "correct" answer
>>> even though P(P) halts?
>>>
>>> PO: Yes that is the correct answer even though P(P) halts.
>>
>> Wow!
>>
>> So for PO H is a "correct halt decider" even if it states that a
>> program P with input P _doesn't halt_, though it _halts_.
>>
>> Well, what can I say?
> 
> What indeed.  I think this is pretty much the only reply that should be
> made to PO.  He may, one day, admit that that was wrong and start to
> build a new waffle mountain, but until then, its game over.
> 
>> Seems that all cranks are more or less "the same" (in a certain
>> sense): WM, PO, JG, AP, etc.
> 
> In some way yes, but they all disagree with each other when the surface
> is scratched because they all want to be the unique individual who as
> seen clearly where everyone else was blind.  I would not be surprised if
> they all had NPD.
> 
>> See:
>> https://context.reverso.net/%C3%BCbersetzung/spanisch-englisch/loco%2C+loco
> 
> Possibly literally!

See 
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/narcissistic-personality-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20366662 
for a list of NPD symptoms and compare to various articles by PO in 
these forums. It would seem that Dr. Ben nailed the diagnoses.
-- 
Jeff Barnett

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Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-14 18:57 -0600
  Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-14 21:03 -0500
  Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-15 08:57 -0600
    Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-15 18:57 -0500
  Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Fritz Feldhase <franz.fritschee.ff@gmail.com> - 2023-02-15 09:05 -0800
    Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-15 13:25 -0600
      Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Fritz Feldhase <franz.fritschee.ff@gmail.com> - 2023-02-15 12:46 -0800
        Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-15 15:12 -0600
          Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Fritz Feldhase <franz.fritschee.ff@gmail.com> - 2023-02-15 13:26 -0800
            Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-15 16:12 -0600
              Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Fritz Feldhase <franz.fritschee.ff@gmail.com> - 2023-02-15 15:55 -0800
                Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-15 18:06 -0600
              Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-15 19:22 -0500
          Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-15 19:20 -0500
        Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-02-15 21:32 +0000
          Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-15 16:13 -0600
          Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Fritz Feldhase <franz.fritschee.ff@gmail.com> - 2023-02-15 15:51 -0800
            Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-02-16 01:47 +0000
              Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-15 20:22 -0600
                Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-15 21:36 -0500
                Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-15 20:39 -0600
                Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-15 21:55 -0500
                Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-15 21:15 -0600
                Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-15 22:20 -0500
                Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-15 21:28 -0600
                Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-15 22:42 -0500
                Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-16 10:59 -0600
                Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-16 18:43 -0500
              Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Jeff Barnett <jbb@notatt.com> - 2023-02-16 11:36 -0700
                Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-16 13:16 -0600
                Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Jeff Barnett <jbb@notatt.com> - 2023-02-16 12:26 -0700
                Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem [ irrefutable ] olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-16 13:41 -0600
                Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem [ irrefutable ] Jeff Barnett <jbb@notatt.com> - 2023-02-16 15:24 -0700
                Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem [ irrefutable ] olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-16 16:45 -0600
                Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem [ irrefutable ] Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-16 18:48 -0500
                Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-16 18:45 -0500
              Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-24 15:31 -0600
                Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-24 20:11 -0500
          Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem [ Ben will not lie about this ] olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-16 17:01 -0600
            Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem [ Ben will not lie about this ] Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-16 18:49 -0500
          Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-24 15:31 -0600
            Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-24 20:11 -0500
          Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-24 16:07 -0600
            Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-24 20:11 -0500
          Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-24 16:08 -0600
            Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-24 20:11 -0500
          Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem [-ONLY LIARS WILL DISAGREE-] olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-26 14:01 -0600
            Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem [-ONLY LIARS WILL DISAGREE-] Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-26 15:15 -0500
              Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem [-ONLY LIARS WILL DISAGREE-] Mr Flibble <flibble@reddwarf.jmc.corp> - 2023-02-26 20:32 +0000

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