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Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy

From Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de>
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Subject Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy
Date 2022-10-07 16:03 +0200
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*Dr. Joachim Neudert* schrieb:

> Stefan Froehlich
>>>> Ja, das glaube ich Dir.
>
>>> Seit 2018 hat mein Auto [...] mein Rechner [...]
>>
>> Da liegt ja bereits das Problem. "Sparen auf hohem Niveau" könnte
>> man es nennen, und im Grund genommen tust Du das doch auch nur, weil
>> die neuen Dinge sehr exklusive Spielzeuge sind. Oder?
>
> Oh, dass mir die Dinge Spaß machen habe ich doch nie verhehlt?
> Dual-use oder Win-Win Situation nennt man das glaube ich.
>
> Aber an dem Punkt stellt sich bei vielen wohl ein Unbehagen ein: das ist
> dieses pseudoreligiöse Verhalten, von dem ich diese Woche sprach, dass es
> ein menschliches Bedürfnis gibt, sich schuldig zu fühlen und ein Bedürfnis,
> schmerzhafte Busse zu tun.

Nun, wer sonst, außer den Menschen hat denn an dem ganze Schlamassel schuld?

> Sorry, dieses Schuldbedürfnis, das früher von der Religion und heute vom
> Klimaschutz und seinen NGO Organisationen befriedigt wird, geht mir ab. Ich
> lebe gerne, es macht mir ausgesprochen Spaß, ich tue gerne Gutes und rede
> auch gerne  darüber.

Du musst dich ja nicht schuldig fühlen, aber beschwere dich nicht, wenn
das andere anders sehen und dich wie alle anderen auch, nicht freisprechen.

Die einzige Möglichkeit, aus dem Schlamassel noch herauszukommen, ist
die Anerkennung seiner eigenen (Mit)Schuld daran und ein entsprechendes
Handeln. Und nein, 80k€-Autos und 5k€-Computer sind kein entsprechendes
Handeln. Das sind löchrige Feigenblätter.

Ach, hättest du heute ein e-Auto wenn es nicht dieses Schuldgefühl bei
anderen geben würde, was bmw dazu trieb, die Dinger zu bauen?

Nein, du würdest V8 fahren. Also stell dich hier nicht als
Umweltschützer dar, der du schlicht gar nicht sein willst.
-- 
bis denne

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‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2022-10-07 11:14 +0200
  Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2022-10-07 09:21 +0000
    Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2022-10-07 11:42 +0200
      Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2022-10-07 12:08 +0000
        Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2022-10-07 14:21 +0200
          Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2022-10-08 11:36 +0000
            Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2022-10-08 15:40 +0200
            Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2022-10-09 19:11 +0200
              Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2022-10-13 10:01 +0000
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2022-10-13 12:11 +0200
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2022-10-13 10:25 +0000
      Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2022-10-07 21:40 +0200
    Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Peter Veith <veith@snafu.de> - 2022-10-07 02:45 -0700
      Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2022-10-07 12:13 +0000
        Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2022-10-07 14:44 +0200
          Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Martin Ebert <mx300@gmx.net> - 2022-10-07 21:58 +0200
            Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2022-10-07 22:14 +0200
          Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2022-10-08 11:43 +0000
        Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Peter Veith <veith@snafu.de> - 2022-10-07 16:35 +0200
          Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Ulf Kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> - 2022-10-07 23:22 -0700
          Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2022-10-08 11:38 +0000
    Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2022-10-07 11:46 +0200
      Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Ulf Kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> - 2022-10-07 03:31 -0700
      Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2022-10-07 13:15 +0200
        Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Ulf Kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> - 2022-10-07 04:23 -0700
        Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Peter Veith <veith@snafu.de> - 2022-10-07 04:33 -0700
          Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Ulf Kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> - 2022-10-07 04:53 -0700
            Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2022-10-07 14:11 +0200
              Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Ulf Kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> - 2022-10-07 05:18 -0700
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2022-10-07 14:37 +0200
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2022-10-08 11:13 +0200
            Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Peter Veith <veith@snafu.de> - 2022-10-07 16:52 +0200
        Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2022-10-07 14:14 +0200
          Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Ulf Kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> - 2022-10-07 05:23 -0700
      Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2022-10-07 12:21 +0000
        Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2022-10-07 12:54 +0000
          Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2022-10-07 16:03 +0200
            Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Matthias Eißing <meissing@gmx.de> - 2022-10-07 16:14 +0200
              Re: Britons will not be told to use less energy Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2022-10-07 15:47 +0000
              Re: Britons will not be told to use less energy Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2022-10-07 15:47 +0000
              Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2022-10-07 18:18 +0200
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2022-10-07 18:34 +0200
            Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2022-10-07 16:38 +0200
              Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2022-10-07 16:43 +0200
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2022-10-07 17:04 +0200
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2022-10-07 17:04 +0200
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2022-10-07 17:30 +0200
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2022-10-07 17:30 +0200
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Peter Veith <veith@snafu.de> - 2022-10-08 07:43 +0200
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2022-10-08 08:25 +0200
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Ulf Kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> - 2022-10-07 23:39 -0700
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2022-10-08 10:27 +0200
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2022-10-08 11:07 +0200
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2022-10-08 11:52 +0200
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2022-10-08 12:11 +0200
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Hans <Hans@enosta.at> - 2022-10-08 13:29 +0200
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Hans <Hans@enosta.at> - 2022-10-08 13:27 +0200
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2022-10-08 11:46 +0000
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Georg Gruber <g.gruber_hauwech@gmx.net> - 2022-10-08 14:56 +0200
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2022-10-08 19:16 +0000
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Georg Gruber <g.gruber_hauwech@gmx.net> - 2022-10-09 11:43 +0200
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2022-10-09 19:11 +0200
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2022-10-13 10:19 +0000
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Peter Veith <veith@snafu.de> - 2022-10-13 03:38 -0700
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2022-10-13 10:58 +0000
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Peter Veith <veith@snafu.de> - 2022-10-13 05:11 -0700
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2022-10-13 13:34 +0000
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2022-10-13 17:03 +0200
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2022-10-13 15:57 +0000
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2022-10-13 18:23 +0200
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2022-10-14 06:47 +0000
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Ulf Kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> - 2022-10-13 23:35 -0700
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Peter Veith <veith@snafu.de> - 2022-10-14 05:06 -0700
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2022-10-13 19:50 +0200
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2022-10-14 08:38 +0200
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2022-10-14 08:47 +0200
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2022-10-14 09:16 +0200
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2022-10-14 09:33 +0000
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2022-10-14 14:22 +0200
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2022-10-13 17:18 +0200
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2022-10-13 15:53 +0000
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2022-10-13 18:49 +0200
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2022-10-14 07:12 +0000
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2022-10-14 14:22 +0200
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2022-10-13 19:50 +0200
                Re: Britons will not be told to use less energy Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2022-10-08 13:47 +0000
                Re: Britons will not be told to use less energy Hans <Hans@enosta.at> - 2022-10-08 16:22 +0200
                Re: Britons will not be told to use less energy Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2022-10-08 14:53 +0000
                Re: Britons will not be told to use less energy Hans <Hans@enosta.at> - 2022-10-08 17:12 +0200
                Re: Britons will not be told to use less energy Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2022-10-08 15:27 +0000
                Re: Britons will not be told to use less energy Ulf Kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> - 2022-10-08 08:46 -0700
                Re: Britons will not be told to use less energy Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2022-10-08 18:39 +0000
                Re: Britons will not be told to use less energy Hans <Hans@enosta.at> - 2022-10-08 22:58 +0200
                Re: Britons will not be told to use less energy Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2022-10-09 19:00 +0000
                Re: Britons will not be told to use less energy Ulf Kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> - 2022-10-09 01:28 -0700
                Re: Britons will not be told to use less energy Ulf Kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> - 2022-10-08 08:19 -0700
                Re: Britons will not be told to use less energy Hans <Hans@enosta.at> - 2022-10-08 18:02 +0200
                Re: Britons will not be told to use less energy Herwig <herwig.huener@t-online.de> - 2022-10-08 15:35 -0700
                Re: Britons will not be told to use less energy Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2022-10-09 00:59 +0200
                Re: Britons will not be told to use less energy Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2022-10-09 01:05 +0200
                Re: Britons will not be told to use less energy Herwig <herwig.huener@t-online.de> - 2022-10-08 16:08 -0700
                Re: Britons will not be told to use less energy Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2022-10-09 01:16 +0200
                Re: Britons will not be told to use less energy Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2022-10-09 08:23 +0200
                Re: Britons will not be told to use less energy Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2022-10-09 11:14 +0200
                Re: Britons will not be told to use less energy Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2022-10-09 12:02 +0200
                Re: Britons will not be told to use less energy Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2022-10-09 16:52 +0200
                Re: Britons will not be told to use less energy Herwig <herwig.huener@t-online.de> - 2022-10-08 15:30 -0700
                Re: Britons will not be told to use less energy Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2022-10-09 03:05 +0200
                Re: Britons will not be told to use less energy Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2022-10-09 07:35 +0000
                Re: Britons will not be told to use less energy Ulf Kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> - 2022-10-09 02:20 -0700
                Re: Britons will not be told to use less energy Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2022-10-09 19:11 +0200
                Re: Britons will not be told to use less energy Ulf Kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> - 2022-10-08 07:23 -0700
                Re: Britons will not be told to use less energy Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2022-10-08 18:08 +0200
                Re: Britons will not be told to use less energy Herwig <herwig.huener@t-online.de> - 2022-10-08 15:28 -0700
                Re: Britons will not be told to use less energy Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2022-10-09 00:46 +0200
                Re: Britons will not be told to use less energy Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2022-10-09 07:37 +0000
                Re: Britons will not be told to use less energy Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2022-10-09 19:11 +0200
                Re: Britons will not be told to use less energy Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2022-10-09 19:59 +0200
                Re: Britons will not be told to use less energy Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2022-10-09 20:24 +0200
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2022-10-08 10:25 +0200
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2022-10-08 11:13 +0200
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Ulf Kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> - 2022-10-08 02:24 -0700
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2022-10-08 11:57 +0200
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2022-10-08 12:05 +0200
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2022-10-08 12:10 +0200
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2022-10-08 10:20 +0200
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2022-10-08 11:31 +0200
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2022-10-08 12:01 +0200
          Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Ulf Kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> - 2022-10-07 07:19 -0700
          Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2022-10-13 10:05 +0000
            Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Ulf Kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> - 2022-10-13 03:09 -0700
              Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2022-10-13 10:26 +0000
        Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2022-10-07 16:32 +0200
      Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2022-10-07 21:49 +0200
    Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2022-10-07 12:39 +0200
      Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Ulf Kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> - 2022-10-07 03:42 -0700
      Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Frank Hucklenbroich <hucklenbroich@gmx.net> - 2022-10-07 14:15 +0200
        Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Ulf Kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> - 2022-10-07 05:27 -0700
          Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Frank Hucklenbroich <hucklenbroich@gmx.net> - 2022-10-03 14:40 +0200
            Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Ulf Kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> - 2022-10-07 23:32 -0700
              Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Hans <Hans@enosta.at> - 2022-10-08 13:23 +0200
              Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Frank Hucklenbroich <hucklenbroich@gmx.net> - 2022-10-08 21:25 +0200
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2022-10-09 07:40 +0000
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Ulf Kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> - 2022-10-09 23:30 -0700
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2022-10-10 06:38 +0000
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Ulf Kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> - 2022-10-10 05:21 -0700
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Siegfried Blos <usenet@siegfried-blos.de> - 2022-11-07 22:30 +0100
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Frank Hucklenbroich <hucklenbroich@gmx.net> - 2022-10-10 11:03 +0200
    Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Matthias Eißing <meissing@gmx.de> - 2022-10-07 13:31 +0200
      Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2022-10-07 14:06 +0200
        Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Ulf Kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> - 2022-10-07 05:11 -0700
    Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2022-10-07 21:39 +0200
      Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Ulf Kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> - 2022-10-07 23:34 -0700
      Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2022-10-08 19:19 +0000
        Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2022-10-08 21:32 +0200
          Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2022-10-08 21:41 +0200
            Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2022-10-08 22:00 +0200
            Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Hans <Hans@enosta.at> - 2022-10-08 22:42 +0200
              Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2022-10-09 19:11 +0200
            Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2022-10-09 19:44 +0200
              Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Peter Veith <veith@snafu.de> - 2022-10-10 00:58 -0700
          Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2022-10-08 20:44 +0000
            Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2022-10-09 08:41 +0200
              Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2022-10-10 06:43 +0000
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2022-10-10 08:52 +0200
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2022-10-10 09:12 +0200
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2022-10-10 09:28 +0200
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2022-10-10 09:42 +0200
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2022-10-10 09:54 +0200
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Ulf Kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> - 2022-10-10 00:40 -0700
                Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2022-10-10 10:03 +0200
        Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Hans <Hans@enosta.at> - 2022-10-08 22:36 +0200
          Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2022-10-08 20:50 +0000
            Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Ulf Kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> - 2022-10-09 02:14 -0700
              Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2022-10-09 14:23 +0000
        Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Herwig <herwig.huener@t-online.de> - 2022-10-08 15:41 -0700
  Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Ulf Kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> - 2022-10-07 03:29 -0700
    Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Frank Hucklenbroich <hucklenbroich@gmx.net> - 2022-10-07 14:20 +0200
      Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Ulf Kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> - 2022-10-07 05:30 -0700
        Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Frank Hucklenbroich <hucklenbroich@gmx.net> - 2022-10-03 14:43 +0200
          Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Ulf Kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> - 2022-10-07 23:30 -0700
            Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Frank Hucklenbroich <hucklenbroich@gmx.net> - 2022-10-08 21:20 +0200
              Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Ulf Kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> - 2022-10-09 23:38 -0700
  Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Goetz Schultz <news.expire1225@goetz.co.uk> - 2022-10-07 13:05 +0100

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