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Re: Who Knew ?

From Maus <Greymaus@mail.com>
Newsgroups alt.folklore.computers
Subject Re: Who Knew ?
Date 2021-11-05 15:07 +0000
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On 2021-11-05, Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> wrote:
> Maus <Greymaus@mail.com> writes:
>> What did he think would happen after he banned scrap iron exports to
>> Japan?.. The US navy should have been placed at high allert, but was
>> not.
>
> Story that (asst. SECTREAS) Harry Dexter White was also operating on
> behalf of Stalin ... Stalin had sent White draft of ten demands to
> include in US ultimatum hoping to provoke Japan into opening a war with
> US ... Stalin was already dealing with 3/4ths of German military in the
> west and was worried that Japan would open a second front in the
> east. Hull Note
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hull_note
> Harry Dexter White & Venona intercepts
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Dexter_White#Venona_project
> More Venona
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venona_project
> https://www.nsa.gov/news-features/declassified-documents/venona/
>
> Benn Stein in "The Battle of Bretton Woods" spends pages 55-58
> discussing "Operation Snow".
> https://www.amazon.com/Battle-Bretton-Woods-Relations-University-ebook/dp/B00B5ZQ72Y/
> pg56/loc1065-66:
>
> The Soviets had, according to Karpov, used White to provoke Japan to
> attack the United States. The scheme even had a name: "Operation Snow,"
> snow referring to White.
>
> ... snip ...
>
> also: Another example of White acting as an agent of influence for the
> Soviet Union was his obstruction of an authorized $200 million loan to
> Nationalist China in 1943, which he had been officially instructed to
> execute. ... contributing to Nationalist loosing China.
>

Good to hear from ye again.! (I wonder how /BAH is?.)

Decisive point in WWII was first week of December, when germans had to
retreat from Moscow. All after that was just delay from the inevitable.
Hitler tried to emulate Frederic Gross's successful seven years awar.
Frederic was a competant man, Hitler was an insane bigot.


-- 
greymausg@mail.com
That's not a mousehole!

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                Re: Who Knew ? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-11-05 21:50 +0000
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                Re: Who Knew ? Maus <Greymaus@mail.com> - 2021-11-06 19:07 +0000
                Re: Who Knew ? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2021-11-06 11:31 +0000
                Re: Who Knew ? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-11-06 15:14 +0000
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              Re: Who Knew ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-11-04 11:05 +0000
                Re: Who Knew ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-11-04 17:19 +0000
                Re: Who Knew ? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2021-11-04 20:13 +0000
                Re: Who Knew ? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-11-04 16:11 -0700
                Re: Who Knew ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-11-04 23:27 +0000
                Re: Who Knew ? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2021-11-05 11:40 +0000
                Re: Who Knew ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-11-05 14:09 +0000
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                Re: Who Knew ? Maus <Greymaus@mail.com> - 2021-11-05 19:18 +0000
                Re: Who Knew ? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-11-05 20:04 +0000
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                Re: Who Knew ? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-11-06 05:13 +0000
                Re: Who Knew ? Maus <Greymaus@mail.com> - 2021-11-05 15:16 +0000
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                Re: Who Knew ? Maus <Greymaus@mail.com> - 2021-11-04 17:31 +0000
                Re: Who Knew ? D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-11-04 13:04 -0500
                Re: Who Knew ? Maus <Greymaus@mail.com> - 2021-11-05 14:58 +0000
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                Re: Who Knew ? Maus <Greymaus@mail.com> - 2021-11-05 15:07 +0000
                Re: Who Knew ? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-11-05 12:28 -0700
                Re: Who Knew ? D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-11-05 14:42 -0500
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                Re: Who Knew ? Maus <Greymaus@mail.com> - 2021-11-05 22:05 +0000
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                Re: Who Knew ? 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-11-06 19:25 -0500
                Re: Who Knew ? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2021-11-07 11:20 +0000
                Re: Who Knew ? D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-11-07 08:55 -0600
                Re: Who Knew ? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-11-07 10:15 -0500
                Re: Who Knew ? 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-11-07 23:44 -0600
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                Re: Who Knew ? Maus <Greymaus@mail.com> - 2021-11-08 19:14 +0000
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                Re: Who Knew ? 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-11-08 22:38 -0600
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