Re: Could H correctly decide that P never halts? [ Why can H ignore its own behavior? ](my thanks to Richard)

From	Jeff Barnett <jbb@notatt.com>
Newsgroups	comp.theory
Subject	Re: Could H correctly decide that P never halts? [ Why can H ignore its own behavior? ](my thanks to Richard)
Date	2021-07-05 15:17 -0600
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On 7/5/2021 11:49 AM, Mike Terry wrote:
> On 05/07/2021 06:20, Jeff Barnett wrote:
>> On 7/4/2021 7:03 PM, dklei...@gmail.com wrote:
<SNIP-AGE>
>> And why in hell should we bother to try and get a clear statement. 
> 
> Personally, I wouldn't, for the reasons you say below.  But I suspect DK 
> is just saying that a clear statement is a pre-requisite for PO 
> publishing, not that /we/ have some duty to try to get one from him, 
> which would be quite fruitless.
> 
>> The
>> idea that our ignoramus/troll will ever submit anything to a refereed 
>> journal is fatuous. He will never acquire the ability to clearly 
>> state, formulate, or prove any interesting conjecture. All he will 
>> ever do, all he wants to do is participate in these ridiculous 
>> dialogues; repeat, rewind, repeat again, and on and on. He enjoys 
>> defeating every one of us even when he "acknowledges a flaw". Then he 
>> rewinds, repeats and doesn't miss a beat never admitting the 
>> acknowledgement nor retracting it. You cannot win this game because 
>> he's in it for the game, not the outcome.
> 
> I think PO /wants/ to do more than just argue here, and convinces 
> himself that one day he will do that.  So he is not trolling (mostly), 
> but is just severely Deluded.  His statements seem a bit like 
> confabulation, where patients invent fantastical stories to cover gaps 
> in their memories.  Those patients are not lying as such, they're just 
> saying things which make sense to them.

You might be interested that what you say here mirrors very closely the 
speculations and writings of Frederic Bartlett, "Remembering", written 
around the beginning of the last century. His work was the idea-spring 
for Piaget's theory of cognitive development, e.g., how children create 
motor schemata for walking. The essence of Bartlett is that we do not 
store "rote records"; rather, we learn patterns that organize our 
thoughts over time: a Birthday frame for example. That frame brings 
mixes together threads of presents, party, aging, etc. When we recall a 
birthday party and describe it we use the frame to organize that 
description and fill in what's missing. Example: Last year you arrive 
very late for friend Joe's birthday celebration. Today, I ask you what 
kind of cake was served. You think about it a little and answer 
"chocolate", Joe's favorite. Since you arrived late last year you missed 
  that Joe was on a diet so he was putting candles on a half watermelon 
instead of a cake. If I asked you next year you would probably give a 
similar wrong answer.

Bartlett's contention was that these frames fill in obvious defaults and 
it's difficult or impossible for us to distinguish between real and 
generated memories. He came to his conclusions using longitudinal 
studies that collected and analyzed mistakes in recall. He did not (I 
repeat DID NOT) experiment with nonsense words and the like. He used 
stories or descriptions that should be familiar to his subjects, real 
world slice of life stuff. People remembered things they were not told 
or shown as well as those they were! So there had to be some organizing 
and defaulting mechanisms in our gray matter.

The best reference to the experiments and theory developed is the book 
"Remembering, A Study in Experimental and Social Psychology", Sir 
Frederic C. Bartlett, Cambridge University Press 1961. The first 
addition was published in 1932 and journal articles appeared much before 
that. He wrote another book "Thinking" that took off from the same 
premises and tried to say that's how we think as well as remember but 
that book was far less readable and never caught the attention or 
stirred the imagination the way "Remembering" did.

> PO doesn't have a memory impairment as far as I can tell, but I wonder 
> whether similar confabulation can occur when someone has an intellectual 
> reasoning impairment: they invent "fantastical logic" to explain their 
> unreasoned intuitions, without understanding that to other people those 
> explanations are ridiculous.  (E.g. PO convincing himself that a 
> computation that demonstrably halts is correctly classified as 
> non-halting, because that was his first intuition before he actually 
> tried it, and he can't abandon that intuition, which trumps any logic 
> from other people.  (And apparently trumps reality in this case!))
> 
> Such a person simply wouldn't realise that other people are genuinely 
> /reasoning logically/ about these abstract ideas, and that terms and 
> phrases they use have precise technical meanings that the everyone else 
> /understands/.  To such a person, it would seem that other people are 
> just doing the same as them: half understanding stuff and spouting vague 
> words and magical phrases to "prove" things, which is exactly what the 
> logically impaired person is doing - so why does everyone take other 
> peoples' proofs seriously but not theirs?  It must be quite frustrating!
> 
> You're right that we can't "win" the PO "game", but that's alright - PO 
> is harmless, and nobody should feel he needs to be "defeated".  And it's 
> simply not possible IMO to genuinely /help/ him, so what needs to be 
> done?  Er, nothing. :)
A little more "nothing" might return this group to normal. On the other 
hand, I guess it's fun to watch a lunatic get bounced around like a 
rubber ball.

Happy 4th observed.
-- 
Jeff Barnett

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                Re: Could H correctly decide that P never halts? [ Why can H ignore its own behavior? ](my thanks to Richard) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2021-07-05 12:11 -0400
                Re: Could H correctly decide that P never halts? [ Why can H ignore its own behavior? ](my thanks to Richard) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2021-07-04 15:02 -0400
      Re: Could H correctly decide that P never halts? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-07-03 21:20 +0100
        Re: Could H correctly decide that P never halts? olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2021-07-03 16:21 -0500
          Re: Could H correctly decide that P never halts? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-07-04 01:23 +0100
            Re: Could H correctly decide that P never halts? [ already agreed ] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2021-07-03 19:30 -0500
              Re: Could H correctly decide that P never halts? [ already agreed ] Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-07-04 17:46 +0100
                Re: Could H correctly decide that P never halts? [ already agreed ] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2021-07-04 12:00 -0500
                Re: Could H correctly decide that P never halts? [ already agreed ] Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-07-05 02:04 +0100
                Re: Could H correctly decide that P never halts? [ already agreed ] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2021-07-04 20:57 -0500
                Re: Could H correctly decide that P never halts? [ already agreed ] Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-07-05 03:14 +0100
                Re: Could H correctly decide that P never halts? [ already agreed ] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2021-07-04 21:28 -0500
                Re: Could H correctly decide that P never halts? [ already agreed ] Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2021-07-04 22:33 -0400
                Re: Could H correctly decide that P never halts? [ already agreed ] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2021-07-04 22:09 -0500
                Re: Could H correctly decide that P never halts? [ already agreed ] Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2021-07-05 07:33 -0400
                Re: Could H correctly decide that P never halts? [ already agreed ] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2021-07-05 08:38 -0500
                Re: Could H correctly decide that P never halts? [ already agreed ] Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2021-07-05 10:57 -0400
                Re: Could H correctly decide that P never halts? [ already agreed ] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2021-07-05 09:59 -0500
                Re: Could H correctly decide that P never halts? [ already agreed ] Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2021-07-05 11:34 -0400
                Re: Could H correctly decide that P never halts? [ already agreed ] Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2021-07-05 13:16 -0400
                Re: Could H correctly decide that P never halts? [ already agreed ] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2021-07-05 12:48 -0500
                Re: Could H correctly decide that P never halts? [ already agreed ] Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2021-07-05 14:36 -0400
                Re: Could H correctly decide that P never halts? [ already agreed ] Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2021-07-05 12:18 -0400
                Re: Could H correctly decide that P never halts? [ already agreed ] Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-07-05 23:58 +0100
                Re: Could H correctly decide that P never halts? [ already agreed ] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2021-07-05 19:54 -0500
                Re: Could H correctly decide that P never halts? [ already agreed ] Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2021-07-05 21:29 -0400
                Re: Could H correctly decide that P never halts? [ already agreed ] Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-07-06 03:35 +0100
                Re: Could H correctly decide that P never halts? [ already agreed ] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2021-07-05 22:30 -0500
                Re: Could H correctly decide that P never halts? [ already agreed ] Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2021-07-06 06:47 -0400
                Re: Could H correctly decide that P never halts? [ already agreed ] Daniel Pehoushek <pehoushek1@gmail.com> - 2021-07-06 04:15 -0700
                Re: Could H correctly decide that P never halts? [ already agreed ] Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-07-06 13:23 +0100
                Re: Could H correctly decide that P never halts? [ already agreed ] Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2021-07-05 07:21 -0400
                Re: Could H correctly decide that P never halts? [ halting criteria ] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2021-07-05 08:26 -0500
                Re: Could H correctly decide that P never halts? [ halting criteria ] Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2021-07-05 10:50 -0400
                Re: Could H correctly decide that P never halts? [ halting criteria ] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2021-07-05 09:56 -0500
                Re: Could H correctly decide that P never halts? [ already agreed ] Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2021-07-05 10:30 -0400
                Re: Could H correctly decide that P never halts? [ already agreed ] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2021-07-05 09:33 -0500
                Re: Could H correctly decide that P never halts? [ already agreed ] Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2021-07-05 11:02 -0400
                Re: Could H correctly decide that P never halts? [ already agreed ] (correction) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2021-07-05 09:35 -0500
                Re: Could H correctly decide that P never halts? [ already agreed ] (correction) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2021-07-05 12:38 -0400
                Re: Could H correctly decide that P never halts? [ already agreed ] (correction) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2021-07-05 12:10 -0500
                Re: Could H correctly decide that P never halts? [ already agreed ] (correction) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2021-07-05 13:43 -0400
                Re: Could H correctly decide that P never halts? [ Richard's excellent summation ] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2021-07-05 19:12 -0500
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          Re: Could H correctly decide that P never halts? [ incorrect question ] Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-07-04 01:44 +0100
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