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Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough

From FromTheRafters <erratic@nomail.afraid.org>
Newsgroups alt.computer.workshop, comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough
Date 2020-07-05 07:50 -0400
Organization Peripheral Visions
Message-ID <rdseqa$1h8d$1@gioia.aioe.org> (permalink)
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Snit has brought this to us :
> FromTheRafters <erratic@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>> Snit used his or her keyboard to write :
>>> On 7/5/20 3:39 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>>> Snit wrote on 7/4/2020 :
>>>>> On 7/4/20 4:27 PM, Diesel wrote:
>>>>>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
>>>>>> news:hm94lgFop1fU2@mid.individual.net Fri, 03 Jul 2020 16:28:32 GMT
>>>>>> in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 7/3/20 3:58 AM, Diesel wrote:
>>>>>>>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
>>>>>>>> news:hm6psiF9msiU1@mid.individual.net Thu, 02 Jul 2020 19:12:18
>>>>>>>> GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> But it could just be that. Again, I want to be very clear I am
>>>>>>>>> NOT accusing anyone of anything -- but it went through my head
>>>>>>>>> if Diesel can do as he claims he likely COULD do this and it
>>>>>>>>> would be a test to see if the bot was posting. And if he did
>>>>>>>>> this he would likely also do it to Carroll... unless he was
>>>>>>>>> doing it just to be a jerk (AND AGAIN NOT SAYING THAT IS THE
>>>>>>>>> CASE!)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Yes, Snit, for the record, I could DDOS you completely offline;
>>>>>>>> but why would I waste my shells bandwidth for that...simply
>>>>>>>> getting a new IP resolves it.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> But that would not in any way harm the theoretical test I noted.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> A pointless test, if you spent the time to consider it in more
>>>>>> detail.
>>>>> 
>>>>> It is not that complex:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1) Take X offline.
>>>>> 2) If bot stops it is evidence coming from X.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If that goes beyond what you can understand then you are not as technical 
>>>>> as you present yourself.
>>>>> 
>>>>> ..
>>>> 
>>>> Actually, if I were the botmaster and you were the target of such an 
>>>> attack, I could stop the bot during that time to implicate you in the eyes 
>>>> of the attacker.
>>> 
>>> Sure. If you were running the bot AND the one doing the test. Presumably 
>>> Diesel is not the one running the bot, but he is the one I spoke of 
>>> THEORETICALLY doing the test. Same could be said of you. I think we can 
>>> confidently exclude you from the suspect list. At the very least you can 
>>> exclude it from your own list.
>>> 
>>> Again, not saying you SHOULD do this, or that Diesel should, or anyone 
>>> else,  but if they were to to take down someone's 'net access as the bot is 
>>> running  and the bot were to stop then that would be evidence against that 
>>> person.  That is really all I noted.
>>> 
>>>> If SC went on vacation, you could stop the bot for that time and attempt 
>>>> to  use the bot's stopping as 'evidence' SC was behind it.
>>> 
>>> If I knew he was on vacation, sure.
>>> 
>>> But who else would know when he was going to start and stop posting, down 
>>> to  the minute, as the person running the bot SEEMED to, at least at times?
>>> 
>>>> It doesn't really take any deep technical understanding to realize this 
>>>> denial of service tactic is problematic.
>>> 
>>> It is pretty clear it would offer evidence. Say I thought it was you (I do 
>>> not). I could (theoretically) wait for the bot to start one of its runs... 
>>> then take down your access. If the bot stopped it would be more evidence 
>>> against you.
>> 
>> Yes, I suppose if one could time it just right the bot posting 
>> interruption could be the output event which confirms the attack had an 
>> effect. I say it is problematic because all one needs is another 
>> internet provider for bot access to the Google account.
>> 
>
> Sure. And the bot might even be set Togo to a second connection if the
> first dies. Heck, if it was not before it might now. 
>
> Even if it did work it would be suggestive — evidence but not proof. 
>
> And I still would not approve of doing this to anyone, even if it offered
> stronger support. 

It is illegal without expressed permission.

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Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-06-24 05:13 +0000
  Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-06-23 22:34 -0700
  Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough David_B <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> - 2020-06-24 13:02 +0100
    Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough David_B <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> - 2020-06-24 21:52 +0100
      Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-03 10:58 +0000
        Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough FromTheRafters <erratic@nomail.afraid.org> - 2020-07-03 07:26 -0400
    Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-02 00:45 +0000
      Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-01 18:10 -0700
        Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough David_B <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> - 2020-07-02 08:09 +0100
          Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-02 07:38 +0000
            Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough David_B <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> - 2020-07-02 08:47 +0100
              Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-02 08:18 +0000
                Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough David_B <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> - 2020-07-02 09:33 +0100
                Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-02 12:12 -0700
                Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough D. Moen <dmoenfactual4@email.net> - 2020-07-02 15:51 -0400
                Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough David_B <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> - 2020-07-02 20:53 +0100
                Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-02 16:00 -0700
                Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2020-07-03 08:53 -0300
                Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-03 10:58 +0000
                Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-03 09:28 -0700
                Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-04 23:27 +0000
                Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-04 17:05 -0700
                Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-04 17:53 -0700
                Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-05 05:54 +0000
                Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-04 23:50 -0700
                Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough FromTheRafters <erratic@nomail.afraid.org> - 2020-07-05 06:39 -0400
                Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-05 03:46 -0700
                Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough FromTheRafters <erratic@nomail.afraid.org> - 2020-07-05 07:36 -0400
                Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-05 11:44 +0000
                Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough FromTheRafters <erratic@nomail.afraid.org> - 2020-07-05 07:50 -0400
                Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-05 11:53 +0000
          Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-03 10:58 +0000
            Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-03 09:28 -0700
      Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough David_B <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> - 2020-07-02 14:43 +0100
        Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-02 15:59 -0700
        Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-03 10:58 +0000
          Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2020-07-04 01:08 +0000
            Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-03 18:31 -0700
              Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-04 23:27 +0000
            Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough Jose Soto <emaildumps127.0.1@noemail4me.net> - 2020-07-04 08:23 -0400
            Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-04 23:27 +0000

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