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Re: Daft as Einstein eh!

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: Daft as Einstein eh!
Date	2019-02-04 18:21 +0000
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Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday, February 4, 2019 at 8:49:58 AM UTC-8, tjrob137 wrote:
>> On 1/31/19 4:56 PM, benj wrote:
> 
>>> everyone talks about "twins" getting younger and older but there is 
>>> zero evidence for the effect.
>> 
>> In relativity, the twins never get "younger", they merely do not age by
>> the same total amount between meetings.
> 
> The statement above contradicts itself.  When two persons do not age by
> the same total amount between meetings, at least one of them must be younger.

This is the problem with colloquial language. There is much ambiguity that
could be avoided by using math and measurable quantities clearly defined. 

“Getting younger” could mean: 

— going through some physical process that reverses aging

— going through some physical process that changed the rate at which all
processes proceed, thus retarding aging

— traveling through spacetime on a route different than another, such that
at re-encounter the elapsed proper time is no longer synchronized, though
this involves no change in any physical process

> 
>> Actual experiments using several different types of clocks have
>> demonstrated the validity of the twin paradox -- clocks following
>> different paths between a given pair of events in spacetime DO
>> experience different elapsed proper times.
> 
> There is no such thing as the proper time.  In fact, there is not a
> single experiment that has identified this proper time thing.  

This is a little like saying that there has been no experiment that
establishes the existence of inertial reference frames or of acceleration. 

Proper time is DEFINED in terms of a measurement protocol. 

> The following treatise shows how the mutual time dilation is a fatal
> contradiction of the special theory of relativity.
> 
> http://107.184.176.53/Aether01.pdf
> 
>>> it has theoretically at least been suggested that some [clocks] DO 
>>> NOT [obey relativistic predictions]!
>> 
>> Only by people who do not understand relativity.
> 
> Since the prediction of relativity is a fatal contradiction, it is
> extremely safe to say real life DOES NOT obey relativity.  It is also
> very safe to say that those who support relativity DO NOT understand relativity.
> 
>> "Fools can put forth more hypotheses than wise men can
>> ever refute." -- Ayn Rand
> 
> Yes, these who worship the religion of relativity are such fools
> predicted by Alisa Rosenbaum, a philosopher.
> 
>>> And biological clocks needed for "twins" are way off any practical 
>>> experience.
>> 
>> Identical atomic clocks are also "twins", as are identical muons, etc.
>> All you have are sham arguments and misunderstandings.
> 
> Time dilation of muons do not support the nonsense of mutual time
> dilation claimed by relativity.  The same treatise above explains offers
> no such embarrassing prediction as relativity does.
> 
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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Daft as Einstein eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2019-01-27 12:36 +0000
  Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2019-01-27 05:01 -0800
    Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2019-01-27 15:30 +0000
      Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2019-01-27 08:21 -0800
      Re: Daft as Einstein eh! yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2019-01-27 11:15 -0800
        Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2019-01-27 21:38 +0000
          Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2019-01-27 16:33 -0800
            Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 18:36 +0000
              Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2019-01-28 11:33 -0800
              Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2019-01-28 22:07 -0600
                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 08:07 +0000
                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2019-01-29 04:47 -0800
                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 13:00 +0000
                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! maluwozniak@gmail.com - 2019-01-30 06:59 -0800
                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Python <python@python.invalid> - 2019-01-31 00:34 +0100
                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2019-01-30 15:42 -0800
                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! maluwozniak@gmail.com - 2019-01-30 23:10 -0800
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            Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 18:57 +0000
              Re: Daft as Einstein eh! yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2019-01-28 11:21 -0800
  Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2019-01-27 10:10 -0600
    Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2019-01-27 17:53 +0000
    Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2019-01-27 14:15 -0800
  Re: Daft as Einstein eh! JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2019-01-27 12:05 -0800
    Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2019-01-27 22:12 +0000
      Re: Daft as Einstein eh! JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2019-01-27 16:23 -0800
      Re: Daft as Einstein eh! kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2019-01-28 07:42 -0800
      Re: Daft as Einstein eh! kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2019-01-31 14:21 -0800
        Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2019-02-01 03:48 +0000
          Re: Daft as Einstein eh! kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2019-02-01 08:29 -0800
            Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2019-02-02 07:48 +0000
              Re: Daft as Einstein eh! kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2019-02-02 11:59 -0800
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  Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-01-28 11:29 +1100
    Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 02:43 +0000
      Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-01-28 14:12 +1100
        Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 07:58 +0000
          Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-01-28 19:26 +1100
            Re: Daft as Einstein eh! maluwozniak@gmail.com - 2019-01-28 00:38 -0800
            Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 09:37 +0000
              Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-01-28 22:14 +1100
                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 14:15 +0000
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                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 17:15 +0000
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                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2019-01-28 09:07 -0800
                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 18:10 +0000
                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2019-01-28 11:19 -0800
                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-01-29 12:03 +1100
                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 09:29 +0000
                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-01-29 21:42 +1100
                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2019-01-30 15:31 +0100
                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2019-01-30 16:00 +0000
                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2019-01-30 20:45 +0100
                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2019-01-30 22:28 +0000
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                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-01-31 12:21 +1100
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