Re: Push Gravity

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics
Subject	Re: Push Gravity
Date	2018-12-31 14:30 +0000
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john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> MM
> ““See any freshman level chemistry or physics book. ” 
> 
> So when considering the very small, your suck model of gravity, for which
> you have no mechanism, has protons and electrons SUCKING each other
> together gravitationally AND sucking each other together electrically,
> but they don’t crash together because magical QM keeps them apart- how?-
> and when considering the very large, it doesn’t work unless you invoke
> Dark Matter, which has never been demonstrated after years of looking. 
> Gotcha. ” 
> So Michael. 
> The gravity theory that YOU believe FAILS at the very small, FAILS at the
> very large, and FAILS at providing a mechanism. 
> And you’re worried that shielding hasn’t been demonstrated with push gravity? 
> Except the Allais effect, of course. 
> 
> Gotcha. Talk about selective criticism ”
> 
> Let’s highlight your schizophrenia a little more: you say the electrons
> couldn’t be radiating or they would lose energy and crash into the
> proton. However, you and Odd say they don’t have a pathway- they are
> DISTRIBUTED but have kinetic energy. So none of this kinetic energy must
> be towards the proton, right? 

This is a prime example of why you get mocked, John. You have in your head
things like flowing energy in this direction or that because this is just
how your mind fabricates those concepts. It never crosses your mind to read
a freshman text where the difference is explained between scalar and vector
quantities, and that one kind has direction and the other does not, and
which physics quantities are of what type. Had you done that, you would
have been confronted with the fact that kinetic energy DOES NOT HAVE any
direction, and so statements like “kinetic energy toward” this or that just
don’t have meaning in physics EVEN IF such phrases make sense to you. All
this points out is that you use physics words without understanding their
content. 

You call this schizophrenia when it is just the jumble and conflict between
what the words actually mean and what you IMAGINE they mean. 

And you will certainly say at some point that I’m an asshole for pointing
this out. 

> So, their kinetic energy has to have any direction EXCEPT towards the
> proton, in spite of the fact that you say the electrons are attracted to
> the proton both gravitationally and electrically?
> Is that right?
> However electrons can be EXCITED and move to- where? Distributed but
> further away? So then why can a photon knock them out sometimes but not
> other times? And how, when that happens, can they immediately have relativistic speed? 
> Are you seeing how totally scattered the shit you believe has become? 
> Time to take your shovel and start digging, bud.
> Your stuff stinks
> 

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-30 17:36 -0800
  Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-31 01:45 +0000
    Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-30 18:02 -0800
      Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-31 02:37 +0000
        Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-30 19:28 -0800
          Re: Push Gravity Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-12-30 22:09 -0600
            Re: Push Gravity Paul Dakota <jsf@iaswmh.nb> - 2018-12-31 07:14 +0000
              Re: Push Gravity Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-12-31 09:48 -0600
          Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-31 04:57 +0000
            Re: Push Gravity poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-12-30 23:19 -0800
              Re: Push Gravity poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-12-30 23:23 -0800
              Re: Push Gravity Paul Dakota <jsf@iaswmh.nb> - 2018-12-31 07:34 +0000
                Re: Push Gravity poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-12-31 00:26 -0800
            Re: Push Gravity James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 00:31 -0800
            Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 03:20 -0800
              Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 04:40 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 05:06 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 14:30 +0000
                Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 08:42 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 09:27 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 18:07 +0000
                Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 10:19 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 10:25 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-12-31 12:53 -0600
                Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 19:29 +0000
                Re: Push Gravity Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2019-01-02 14:08 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-02 14:26 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2019-01-02 14:44 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-01-02 19:15 -0500
                Re: Push Gravity Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2019-01-02 18:36 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2019-01-02 22:54 -0600
                Re: Push Gravity Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 11:23 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity poraty6@gmail.com - 2019-01-03 14:53 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 21:40 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity poraty6@gmail.com - 2019-01-03 22:49 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2019-01-04 12:53 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-05 09:23 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-05 18:23 +0000
                Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-05 11:04 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-05 19:59 +0000
                Re: Push Gravity Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2019-01-06 10:26 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-05 11:27 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-05 20:18 +0000
                Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-05 12:45 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity poraty6@gmail.com - 2019-01-05 11:30 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2019-01-05 13:20 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-01-05 18:30 -0500
                Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-05 16:23 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-05 17:47 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-05 18:47 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2019-01-05 23:08 -0600
                Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-05 21:19 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-05 21:01 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-05 21:56 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-05 22:37 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-06 06:31 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-06 16:54 +0000
                Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-06 09:30 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-06 18:27 +0000
                Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-06 21:30 +0000
                Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-06 13:38 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-06 13:45 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-06 13:53 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-06 14:04 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-07 00:46 +0000
                Re: Push Gravity pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-06 14:05 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-06 22:16 +0000
                Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-07 00:44 +0000
                Re: Push Gravity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2019-01-07 02:53 +0100
                Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-07 02:11 +0000
                Re: Push Gravity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2019-01-07 03:57 +0100
                Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-08 15:55 +0000
                Re: Push Gravity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2019-01-09 01:49 +0100
                Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-09 04:48 +0000
                Re: Push Gravity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2019-01-09 15:27 +0100
                Re: Push Gravity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2019-01-07 02:47 +0100
                Re: Push Gravity Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2019-01-07 10:58 -0600
                Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-06 22:16 +0000
                Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-06 16:21 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-07 00:38 +0000
                Re: Push Gravity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2019-01-07 02:54 +0100
                Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-06 22:16 +0000
                Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-07 00:35 +0000
                Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-07 00:51 +0000
                Re: Push Gravity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2019-01-07 03:02 +0100
                Re: Push Gravity benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-01-08 15:04 -0500
                Re: Push Gravity poraty6@gmail.com - 2019-01-07 01:34 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-08 03:07 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-08 04:26 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-08 14:31 +0000
                Re: Push Gravity "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2019-01-08 11:55 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-08 15:32 +0000
                Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-08 04:32 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-08 14:31 +0000
                Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-08 15:37 +0000
                Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-08 13:21 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-08 14:31 +0000
                Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-08 15:30 +0000
                Re: Push Gravity benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-01-08 15:02 -0500
                Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-08 23:00 +0000
                Re: Push Gravity benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-01-08 23:36 -0500
                Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-09 14:45 +0000
                Re: Push Gravity benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-01-09 15:43 -0500
                Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-09 12:52 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-09 21:39 +0000
                Re: Push Gravity benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-01-09 19:18 -0500
                Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-10 01:27 +0000
                Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-09 17:50 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity poraty6@gmail.com - 2019-01-09 18:38 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity poraty6@gmail.com - 2019-01-09 18:27 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-06 11:11 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-06 21:07 +0000
                Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-06 21:07 +0000
                Re: Push Gravity Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2019-01-05 20:52 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity poraty6@gmail.com - 2019-01-06 04:55 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2019-01-06 05:12 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2019-01-06 10:34 -0600
                Re: Push Gravity "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2019-01-06 12:39 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2019-01-07 09:31 -0600
                Re: Push Gravity poraty6@gmail.com - 2019-01-08 05:00 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2019-01-06 10:57 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2019-01-06 10:30 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-06 21:07 +0000
                Re: Push Gravity benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-01-08 14:54 -0500
                Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-08 23:00 +0000
                Re: Push Gravity benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-01-08 23:33 -0500
                Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-09 14:45 +0000
                Re: Push Gravity benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-01-09 15:42 -0500
                Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 19:29 +0000
                Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 12:05 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 20:50 +0000
                Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 13:13 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 21:48 +0000
                Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 14:01 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 22:11 +0000
                Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 14:17 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 22:31 +0000
                Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 14:50 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-01 00:00 +0000
                Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 16:13 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-01 01:47 +0000
                Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 18:00 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-01 13:36 +0000
                Re: Push Gravity poraty6@gmail.com - 2019-01-04 02:33 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-04 16:26 +0000
                Re: Push Gravity poraty6@gmail.com - 2019-01-04 08:47 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 22:28 -0500
                Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 19:51 -0800
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                Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-01 16:33 +0000
                Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-01 16:33 +0000
                Re: Push Gravity poraty6@gmail.com - 2019-01-02 15:12 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity poraty6@gmail.com - 2019-01-02 15:09 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-02 23:24 +0000
                Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-02 15:45 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-02 23:54 +0000
                Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-02 15:57 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-01-02 19:23 -0500
                Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 02:44 +0000
                I've been slandering UseNutters for 28 years now. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2019-01-02 16:19 -0800
                Re: I've been slandering UseNutters for 28 years now. "Sir Gregory Hall,  Esq." <greghall@yacht_maester.fake> - 2019-01-02 19:27 -0500
                Re: I've been slandering UseNutters for 28 years now. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-02 17:30 -0700
                Re: I've been slandering UseNutters for 28 years now. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-02 17:30 -0700
                PeeScent's fifth grade education. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2019-01-02 16:39 -0800
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                Re: PeeScent's fifth grade education. Jeff-Relf.Me@ - 2019-01-02 17:59 -0700
                Re: PeeScent is homeless, I assume. Jeff-Relf.Me@ - 2019-01-03 07:13 -0700
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                Re: Push Gravity benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-01-02 19:17 -0500
                Re: Push Gravity "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 14:41 -0800
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