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Re: Push Gravity

From moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Newsgroups sci.physics
Subject Re: Push Gravity
Date 2019-01-05 18:23 +0000
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john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:
>Actually, Fatio came up with it before LeSage.

>My addition is basically that it is the matter, itself, that provides 
>these 'ultra mundane particles'. They come from the electrons radiating.

>The objection to electrons radiating is they will run out of energy.
>One of the objections to Fatio/LeSage is the matter that absorbs will 
>quickly have TOO MUCH energy.
>Hmm.
>Seems like the protons just have to feed it back to the electrons and 
>it's all good

Umm, no. Now you have something different from LeSage gravity. LeSage
gravity has 'ultra mundane particles' coming uniformly from OUTSIDE, and
since they purportedly provide the energy of gravitation, they must
provide energy to mass when they are absorbed. Too much energy. Now you
purportedly have matter radiating 'ultra mundane particles'/energy (which
would push everything apart!), something completely different. It can sort
of work if your radiation has negative momentum (allowing matter to
attract) but now what you have is essentially standard gravity with an
unnecessary dynamic radiation layered on top of it. Gravity, if viewed as
a force (GR says it isn't), is static, there is no need for any radiation
of negative momentum to implement it. All the radiation adds is a
complication of where all this unnecessary magic energy comes from and
where does it go.

Not to mention all kinds of stuff you simply ignore. What about neutrons?
They are affected by gravity somewhat more than protons. You don't even
mention neutrons at all, even though they contribute more than half the
mass of non-hydrogen ordinary matter!

What about the fact that electrons are affected by gravity less than
protons (by a factor of 1800!) ?  And what about other particles,
antimatter and energy itself? Gravity affects all energy, not just
electrons and protons.

What about free/isolated electrons and protons?

What is _electric_ force? Electrons and protons attract each other much
more strongly than gravitation, as well as repel themselves.

(No, I don't expect any real answer for any of this. All you do is pull
crap from your butt, fling it against the wall and hope it sticks, not
applying any actual thought)

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Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-30 17:36 -0800
  Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-31 01:45 +0000
    Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-30 18:02 -0800
      Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-31 02:37 +0000
        Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-30 19:28 -0800
          Re: Push Gravity Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-12-30 22:09 -0600
            Re: Push Gravity Paul Dakota <jsf@iaswmh.nb> - 2018-12-31 07:14 +0000
              Re: Push Gravity Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-12-31 09:48 -0600
          Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-31 04:57 +0000
            Re: Push Gravity poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-12-30 23:19 -0800
              Re: Push Gravity poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-12-30 23:23 -0800
              Re: Push Gravity Paul Dakota <jsf@iaswmh.nb> - 2018-12-31 07:34 +0000
                Re: Push Gravity poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-12-31 00:26 -0800
            Re: Push Gravity James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 00:31 -0800
            Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 03:20 -0800
              Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 04:40 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 05:06 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 14:30 +0000
                Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 08:42 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 09:27 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 18:07 +0000
                Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 10:19 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 10:25 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-12-31 12:53 -0600
                Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 19:29 +0000
                Re: Push Gravity Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2019-01-02 14:08 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-02 14:26 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2019-01-02 14:44 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-01-02 19:15 -0500
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                Re: Push Gravity Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 11:23 -0800
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                Re: Push Gravity Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 21:40 -0800
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                Re: Push Gravity Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2019-01-04 12:53 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-05 09:23 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-05 18:23 +0000
                Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-05 11:04 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-05 19:59 +0000
                Re: Push Gravity Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2019-01-06 10:26 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-05 11:27 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-05 20:18 +0000
                Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-05 12:45 -0800
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                Re: Push Gravity Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2019-01-05 13:20 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-01-05 18:30 -0500
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                Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-06 06:31 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-06 16:54 +0000
                Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-06 09:30 -0800
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