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Re: How does gravity slow time?

From moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: How does gravity slow time?
Date 2018-12-17 19:01 +0000
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kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes:

>The LT agrees with what I said. A clock second on a moving clock is 
>corresponded to gamma seconds on the observer's clock.

And, according to an observer moving along with the moving clock, a clock 
second on the first clock corresponds to gamma seconds on the moving clock.

> This  
>means that a clock second of absolute time on a movie clock contains 
>gamma seconds of absolute time on the observer's clock.

No, it doesn't, since A sees B's clock as running slow, and B sees A's
clock as running slow.

There is no way to define this in the terms of some artificial "absolute
time" where both statements are true, but that is irrelevant, since it is
an appearance only. It's like if we stand next to each other and we see
each other as normal height.  Then we walk apart. I now see you as small,
and you now see me as small. Neither one of us shrank, we are both the
same height.

You have been told this many, many times, yet you insist on continuing to
make the same mistakes. Why?

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How does gravity slow time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-15 15:22 -0800
  Re: How does gravity slow time? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-16 00:30 +0100
    Re: How does gravity slow time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-16 06:04 -0800
      Re: How does gravity slow time? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-16 15:28 +0100
  Re: How does gravity slow time? alsor@interia.pl - 2018-12-15 15:44 -0800
    Re: How does gravity slow time? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-12-15 16:17 -0800
  Re: How does gravity slow time? Scott Richman <sunn@idhnonow.iv> - 2018-12-16 01:02 +0000
    Re: How does gravity slow time? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-12-16 20:14 -0800
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    Re: How does gravity slow time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-16 06:16 -0800
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        Re: How does gravity slow time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-17 05:58 -0800
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          Re: How does gravity slow time? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-12-20 20:42 -0600
            Re: How does gravity slow time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-21 06:30 -0800
  Re: How does gravity slow time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-16 06:15 +0000
    Re: How does gravity slow time? "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-12-16 06:14 -0800
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      Re: How does gravity slow time? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-12-16 15:24 -0800
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            Re: How does gravity slow time? alsor@interia.pl - 2018-12-17 09:52 -0800
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                Re: How does gravity slow time? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-12-17 15:41 -0800
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                Re: How does gravity slow time? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-12-17 17:21 -0800
                Re: How does gravity slow time? alsor@interia.pl - 2018-12-18 08:47 -0800
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                Re: How does gravity slow time? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-12-19 14:13 -0800
                Re: How does gravity slow time? alsor@interia.pl - 2018-12-20 13:36 -0800
                Re: How does gravity slow time? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-12-20 14:43 -0800
                Re: How does gravity slow time? Scott Richman <sunn@idhnonow.iv> - 2018-12-20 23:46 +0000
                Re: How does gravity slow time? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-12-20 16:31 -0800
                Re: How does gravity slow time? Scott Richman <sunn@idhnonow.iv> - 2018-12-21 13:56 +0000
    Re: How does gravity slow time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-17 06:58 -0800
      Re: How does gravity slow time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-17 17:47 +0000
        Re: How does gravity slow time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-17 14:41 -0800
          Re: How does gravity slow time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-18 02:23 +0000
            Re: How does gravity slow time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-18 06:13 -0800
              Re: How does gravity slow time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-19 14:17 +0000
                Re: How does gravity slow time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-19 07:06 -0800
                Re: How does gravity slow time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-19 15:18 +0000
                Re: How does gravity slow time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-19 19:00 +0000
                Re: How does gravity slow time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-19 13:16 -0800
                Re: How does gravity slow time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-20 02:35 +0000
                Re: How does gravity slow time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-20 07:24 -0800
                Re: How does gravity slow time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-20 15:48 +0000
                Re: How does gravity slow time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-20 13:26 -0800
                Re: How does gravity slow time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-20 22:53 +0000
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            Re: How does gravity slow time? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-12-19 06:21 -0800
      Re: How does gravity slow time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-17 19:01 +0000
        Re: How does gravity slow time? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-12-17 11:40 -0800
        Re: How does gravity slow time? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-12-17 11:44 -0800
        Re: How does gravity slow time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-17 15:17 -0800
          Re: How does gravity slow time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-18 04:50 +0000
            Re: How does gravity slow time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-18 07:27 -0800
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    Re: How does gravity slow time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-17 06:15 -0800
      Re: How does gravity slow time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-17 18:49 +0000
        Re: How does gravity slow time? Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-12-17 12:18 -0800
        Re: How does gravity slow time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-17 15:00 -0800
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